WTF has happened in Scotland?

toquark

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The problem with devolution is that it divorces the public from some of the realities of where resources are generated from. Its very easy for devolved administrations to not spend wisely then in response to criticism, blame the big boys for not giving them enough money.

As I've said before, the SNP are experts at weaponising their own failures. They play into a lot of west-central Scotland's deeply ingrained sense of grievance, Sturgeon is a product of that culture.
 

Pasty

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Devon
Yeah but it's not about the Panama disaster or the net amount of money which goes either way is it? Is it English aggression or Scotland's shame at being baled out? . It's all in the past FFS. Lets just get on with it. No Scotsman alive today was responsible for Panama. Same as no Englishman alive today is responsible for possible repression against the Scots. Unless they see it that way.

The UK can't keep playing the lender of last resort for failures like we did with the Irish very recently.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
Maybe I should have clarified - the current predicament Sturgeon finds herself in has nothing to do with Boris. Of course he is trying to gain the upper hand from her, its called politics.

Where Bozza is concerned it is called lying and fake news, it's what he does. It's funny how the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation have never stopped banging-on about the Salmond Sturgeon row. Yet the fact that Matt Wankcok was found guilty in the high court last week for cronyism amounting to millions of pounds of taxpayers money, barely got a mention. :whistle:
 

robs1

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Where Bozza is concerned it is called lying and fake news, it's what he does. It's funny how the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation have never stopped banging-on about the Salmond Sturgeon row. Yet the fact that Matt Wankcok was found guilty in the high court last week for cronyism amounting to millions of pounds of taxpayers money, barely got a mention. :whistle:
He was found to have acted unlawfully in not releasing details of contracts in the allotted time, very different from what you implied.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
He was found to have acted unlawfully in not releasing details of contracts in the allotted time, very different from what you implied.

The Test cases brought against Wankock were:-
Ayanda part of Mauritius-based holding company created by an associate of a minister (Liz Truss who was appointed as a board advisor in March) which had been given preferential “VIP lane” treatment in award of the contract, and that £160m worth of the masks provided were unusable.
£108 million contract to Clandeboye had only previously supplied confectionary, while Pestfix - which also benefited from the VIP lane - had never before supplied medical PPE with assets of only £19,000 and 16 staff was awarded a £170 million contract to supply face masks that again were unusable.

None of these contracts were put out to tender and there are many more.
 

robs1

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The Test cases brought against Wankock were:-
Ayanda part of Mauritius-based holding company created by an associate of a minister (Liz Truss who was appointed as a board advisor in March) which had been given preferential “VIP lane” treatment in award of the contract, and that £160m worth of the masks provided were unusable.
£108 million contract to Clandeboye had only previously supplied confectionary, while Pestfix - which also benefited from the VIP lane - had never before supplied medical PPE with assets of only £19,000 and 16 staff was awarded a £170 million contract to supply face masks that again were unusable.

None of these contracts were put out to tender and there are many more.

Putting stuff out to tender in times of emergency leads you to the EU vaccine cockup, too much talking too many opinions instead of jfdi, there is a accepted system in the UK to allow gov6to bypass the normal tendering process in extreme circumstances, there is of course a need to look back after the event too check if any illegality has taken place, is there any actual evidence that this is the case. Calling people by a made up name to be offensive doesn't improve your argument, it just shows you have a closed mind
 

Raider112

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The Test cases brought against Wankock were:-
Ayanda part of Mauritius-based holding company created by an associate of a minister (Liz Truss who was appointed as a board advisor in March) which had been given preferential “VIP lane” treatment in award of the contract, and that £160m worth of the masks provided were unusable.
£108 million contract to Clandeboye had only previously supplied confectionary, while Pestfix - which also benefited from the VIP lane - had never before supplied medical PPE with assets of only £19,000 and 16 staff was awarded a £170 million contract to supply face masks that again were unusable.

None of these contracts were put out to tender and there are many more.
Just like farming, you can get away with shoddy business practices but if you slip up on the paperwork....
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
Putting stuff out to tender in times of emergency leads you to the EU vaccine cockup, too much talking too many opinions instead of jfdi, there is a accepted system in the UK to allow gov6to bypass the normal tendering process in extreme circumstances, there is of course a need to look back after the event too check if any illegality has taken place, is there any actual evidence that this is the case. Calling people by a made up name to be offensive doesn't improve your argument, it just shows you have a closed mind
And these procurements are not a cockup? There is never a reason not to tender unless there is only one manufacture of the product you are after. And if you are after vast quantities the logic is you go to the big existing suppliers like ARCO or not your mate down the pub. And it's funny how may established UK suppliers were frustrated by the government in obtaining contracts, but if you were on the VIP list no problem and a I licence to print money. Maybe you are happy for your income tax to end up in the British Virgin Islands, but I am not.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
I’ve been involved in projects where we have done the “no due process procurement” thing before, and there’s still a need for some due process and at least basic diligence and checks. The idea that you can let a major contract to a new company with no assets, no staff and no experience is madness and doesn’t fit with any of accepted government practices. JFDI, sure, but not to the level being reported.
 

robs1

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And these procurements are not a cockup? There is never a reason not to tender unless there is only one manufacture of the product you are after. And if you are after vast quantities the logic is you go to the big existing suppliers like ARCO or not your mate down the pub. And it's funny how may established UK suppliers were frustrated by the government in obtaining contracts, but if you were on the VIP list no problem and a I licence to print money. Maybe you are happy for your income tax to end up in the British Virgin Islands, but I am not.
I’ve been involved in projects where we have done the “no due process procurement” thing before, and there’s still a need for some due process and at least basic diligence and checks. The idea that you can let a major contract to a new company with no assets, no staff and no experience is madness and doesn’t fit with any of accepted government practices. JFDI, sure, but not to the level being reported.
As you say the levels being reported, but as we all know often what is reported is not accurate.
IF there has been any law breaking then those doing need bringing to book, if contracts were given out to people who said they could supply but didnt and all the money was returned then no gain was made, I too have seen claims by firms saying they could have supplied but didnt, however is that true and if they were already known suppliers then normally they would be dealing direct with the trusts so why didnt they increase supplies to those trusts? I think there is a lot we dont know and are getting half the story, I would assume if labour thought there was something serious they would be making a fuss.
 
As you say the levels being reported, but as we all know often what is reported is not accurate.
IF there has been any law breaking then those doing need bringing to book, if contracts were given out to people who said they could supply but didnt and all the money was returned then no gain was made, I too have seen claims by firms saying they could have supplied but didnt, however is that true and if they were already known suppliers then normally they would be dealing direct with the trusts so why didnt they increase supplies to those trusts? I think there is a lot we dont know and are getting half the story, I would assume if labour thought there was something serious they would be making a fuss.
They all have their snouts in the trough. Pot Kettle problem. If the tender was proper how come the guy involved in PPE supply who quoted half the price of the winner never got it. State of emergency means free for all and buggins friend gets it. Like NFU true democracy is coming, oh b#gger! Hidden behind the noise of covid but was still in the open and there will be a day of reckoning. Some upper echelon civil servants and politicians should be jailed.
That will be a day of reckoning for all of them.
 

robs1

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They all have their snouts in the trough. Pot Kettle problem. If the tender was proper how come the guy involved in PPE supply who quoted half the price of the winner never got it. State of emergency means free for all and buggins friend gets it. Like NFU true democracy is coming, oh b#gger! Hidden behind the noise of covid but was still in the open and there will be a day of reckoning. Some upper echelon civil servants and politicians should be jailed.
That will be a day of reckoning for all of them.
If there has been law breaking then chuck the book at them.
 

puppet

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Livestock Farmer
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sw scotland
Scot Gov - the gift that keeps on giving
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X344chap

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Mixed Farmer
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Central Scotland
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You have to check the background of where this comes from.

The Daily Telegraph has been politically conservative in modern times.[32] The personal links between the paper's editors and the leadership of the Conservative Party, along with the paper's generally right-wing stance and influence over Conservative activists, have resulted in the paper commonly being referred to, especially in Private Eye, as the Torygraph.
 

Tim s

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Scotland
You have to check the background of where this comes from.

The Daily Telegraph has been politically conservative in modern times.[32] The personal links between the paper's editors and the leadership of the Conservative Party, along with the paper's generally right-wing stance and influence over Conservative activists, have resulted in the paper commonly being referred to, especially in Private Eye, as the Torygraph.
Aye but
 

puppet

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Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
You have to check the background of where this comes from.

The Daily Telegraph has been politically conservative in modern times.[32] The personal links between the paper's editors and the leadership of the Conservative Party, along with the paper's generally right-wing stance and influence over Conservative activists, have resulted in the paper commonly being referred to, especially in Private Eye, as the Torygraph.
I just thought it was funny. Cartoonist Matt pokes fun at all politicians. I know the background as I have a subscription. For political balance I also get the Express and the Daily Mail.
 

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