- Location
- West Suffolk
When I hear power beyond I have a little chuckle, always reminds me of the crap 80's band my sister used to like!
Brother beyond.
Brother beyond.
yale, it is on the P version
deutz have a couple variations, it is a little confusing if you don't know what you are looking at,
the M and K series had 3 levels of spec, all different hyd.......and it looks like the 6 series have 3 levels too, but it usually comes down to the country you are in and what the importer thinks the market wants (this is why someone will always call me out and say i am wrong here lol)
the system drdunc described actually works well......you will realise this when you have to fix or replace a load sense pump that stays on high standby on other brands it does have down falls, it looks like a lot of pumps and it is, is confusing to people who don't know, often its a lot hanging off an accessory drive of a engine etc looks like a lot of pipes....and it is.....but it works, works well really well when serviced by the book etc, and every thing goes well
No, I have a new Fendt on order and was an option.Is it standard on tractors nowadays.
Is it standard on tractors nowadays.
Approximately how much extra is it?No, I have a new Fendt on order and was an option.
On JD 30 series it's pretty straightforward to plumb it in (if not ordered with it from factory), probably on other makes also. Took a man in a van and 800€ worth of parts and labour (including the drive time).Is it standard on tractors nowadays.
£330 after discount.Approximately how much extra is it?
Proper Power Beyond systems will also have a motor bleed line to allow any hydraulic fans or motors to run down when the system is switched offPower Beyond is just a fancy name for a group of three dedicated coupling for implements that are to be used with remote spool valves or remote controlled flow of oil when both tractor and implement are equipped for use with Closed Centre, Load Sensing [CCLS] hydraulics. The two big couplings are self explanatory, one being the main flow and the other being a free-flow return to tank or sump. The third line, the smaller of the three, is the control or sensing line. All this does is convey a message through pressure and flow, so as to control the tractor pump. The tractor has a variable displacement, swash-plate, type pump where the full flow can be achieved at nearly idle speed if the control plate is commanded to do so by the sensing line. Or it can pump no oil, or any amount of oil that is needed, at any revs including flat out.
Open centre systems with fixed displacement pumps, on the other hand, displace [pump] a fixed volume of oil for every revolution of the pump, regardless of need. It follows therefore that full volume of oil pumped can only be achieved at full throttle, so that only half the volume of oil is pumped at 1000 engine revs as at 2000 engine revs.
I know the question was only about 'power-beyond' but I feel it is important to know how these systems work and the differences between them, in order to understand anything at all about them.
In 6000, 6010 and part of the 6020series it's just a matter of putting a fitting in (although it is a metric fitting which not every shop has lying around)., Halfway the 20 series on you needed a special slice which rendered a 4th spool impossible.On JD 30 series it's pretty straightforward to plumb it in (if not ordered with it from factory), probably on other makes also. Took a man in a van and 800€ worth of parts and labour (including the drive time).
Its just a fancy name for running remote spools. In this case for closed centre systems that require a third signal line.Nothing new about power beyond.
We were running 8 metre linkage gear on furrow irrigation country 30 years ago, set up with Orthman “trackers”, guidance systems that ran off the furrow or plant row, with 2 big steering discs out the back, that were powered by power beyond hydraulics on 7140 Magnum tractors
A means to accept those lines and to control the oil flow at the implement end. Basically a spool or number of closed centre load sensing valves. Motor spool in the case of motors. Loader needs the usual ccls spool valve in one casting. It can be controlled by either traditional cables or some more advanced servos, either electronic or oil over oil. Up to you how much you are willing to spend.So i have power beyond on the tractor
connect the pressure Ona return and the controll line
what do I need on the implement.
Drill with hydraulic fan
fert spreader with hydraulic drive
loader