YAGRO

[Banana Bar]

what were you comparing yagro prices to ?
would be interesting to compare yagro prices to buying group prices

I intend to but groups like FF make it very difficult to get actual price by muddying the waters with a rebate. I've been very impressed with the service provided by Yagro to date.

 

[Clive]

Ag-chem makers do not want to supply their product to anyone at discounted prices. Their solution to this kind of tom-foolery is just to make less of the stuff and let buying groups hunt around for people who have over-ordered the stuff.

Being in the business of supplying massive volumes of ag-chem and basically moving money around for no margin is a fools game, you wonder why a distributor won't want to get involved?

In the world of commodity markets you aren't going to make any real difference trying to buy a can of chemical £10 cheaper than the next man. Your only way to make big savings is to do proper agronomy, not blanket treatments, and think carefully about how you establish and provide nutrition to crops, along with your machinery and staffing policy.

How will you possibly compete with the world market with ever reducing chemical options, and hunting out a few grand saving against people whose chemical bill will be maybe 20 or 30% of yours is beyond me.

Do you have any idea just how obscene the distrubuter margin is on many products ?

I agree however that VC savings are almost irrelevant vs sorry I g out your diced cost structure

 

[Clive]

I believe Yagro make the money by charging the supplier 1% ? Sounds like not a lot but it's £2.50 or so on a tonne of fert

Trouble is I suspect the suppliers simply lump this extra cost straight on the product meaning you would still be better trying to do a deal direct as a farmer

However if you can't be bothered using the free quote me forum on here or ringing / emailing around the good old fashioned way I reckon Yagro is a good idea for farmers

 

[Against_the_grain]

My quote was against a national buying group and another smaller buying group. I like to think I'm pretty good at getting chemical competitively and always get multiple quotes but the beauty of yagro is if a supplier can work your request in with another delivery in the area for example then you might get a good deal. It's got to be good for the industry all round if we can all be more efficient.
The way in which the platform works as well is so convenient. At the end if the day it's cost me nothing to use and I have already made good savings. Small beer yes in terms of total farm spend but pennies and pounds spring to mind.

 

[Against_the_grain]

I'm also now purchasing chemicals from companies I wouldn't normally be in touch with so from the suppliers point of view they have access to a much wider market.

 

[Banana Bar]

My quote was against a national buying group and another smaller buying group. I like to think I'm pretty good at getting chemical competitively and always get multiple quotes but the beauty of yagro is if a supplier can work your request in with another delivery in the area for example then you might get a good deal. It's got to be good for the industry all round if we can all be more efficient.
The way in which the platform works as well is so convenient. At the end if the day it's cost me nothing to use and I have already made good savings. Small beer yes in terms of total farm spend but pennies and pounds spring to mind.

Agree, any saving worth being in my pocket rather than someone else's.
Agree with Clive that an email to a few distributors is just as easy though.

 

[Against_the_grain]

No harm in both. Why can't the distributors just get together on one platform? Would be way more efficient

 

[Brisel]

I intend to but groups like FF make it very difficult to get actual price by muddying the waters with a rebate. I've been very impressed with the service provided by Yagro to date.

I don't know about FF but AF's distributor rebates are small and certainty don't cover the group levies.

 

[Steevo]

No harm in both. Why can't the distributors just get together on one platform? Would be way more efficient

As I see it, distributors are the past. It's much more likely that such a setup would work directly with the manufacturers a bit like Rotam are doing. There's talk on here of machinery dealerships disappearing, the same could be said for chemical distributors. If i need my Hitachi excavator fixing, I either call a local independent engineer (£) or I speak directly to my local Hitachi Construction Machinery depot (££££! I'm sure). Parts, unlike with farm gear, is much harder to source independently with OEM.

 

[ollie989898]

Do you have any idea just how obscene the distrubuter margin is on many products ?

I agree however that VC savings are almost irrelevant vs sorry I g out your diced cost structure

Define obscene?

In comparison to what? Supermarkets making 50% on bought in product? Mobile phone companies making 150% on a brand new handset via their contracts?

Is this another I don't make any money farming so nobody else should type rant?

It is quite easy to see what goes on in terms of profit making in the wider industry- the annual figures of the big names are published nearly annually in farm brief for heavens sake.

You are in quite the wrong game to be complaining about cost structures I am afraid, Western Europe is the leading region geographically for agchem spend on an area basis.

 

[Clive]

Define obscene?

In comparison to what? Supermarkets making 50% on bought in product? Mobile phone companies making 150% on a brand new handset via their contracts?

Is this another I don't make any money farming so nobody else should type rant?

It is quite easy to see what goes on in terms of profit making in the wider industry- the annual figures of the big names are published nearly annually in farm brief for heavens sake.

You are in quite the wrong game to be complaining about cost structures I am afraid, Western Europe is the leading region geographically for agchem spend on an area basis.

I think the supermarkets look value in comparison frankly !

I'm not complaining about the money I can make farming, it's fine thanks, but I don't ask salesmen for advice I guess

If you think things will carry on as they have much longer I reckon it's time everyone woke up

 

[richard hammond]

Define obscene?

In comparison to what? Supermarkets making 50% on bought in product? Mobile phone companies making 150% on a brand new handset via their contracts?

Is this another I don't make any money farming so nobody else should type rant?

It is quite easy to see what goes on in terms of profit making in the wider industry- the annual figures of the big names are published nearly annually in farm brief for heavens sake.

You are in quite the wrong game to be complaining about cost structures I am afraid, Western Europe is the leading region geographically for agchem spend on an area basis.

Ollie, are you an advisor or a salesman, or a mixture, I am aware we have discussed this online before but I am still confused, you seem to change camps very often, you tell us what profit margins you earn on what turnover, or are you part of the struggling supply trade?

 

[ollie989898]

Ollie, are you an advisor or a salesman, or a mixture, I am aware we have discussed this online before but I am still confused, you seem to change camps very often, you tell us what profit margins you earn on what turnover, or are you part of the struggling supply trade?

I am involved in sales, but I do advise. A lot of my time is spent advising on things which I have not sold, or are not possible to sell anyway. In effect, I am selling my advice in many instances.

You will now insist you are not a salesman yet you persist in being involved in supplying things. I find this very confusing. Were I in your shoes, I would simply send out recommendations, ending my involvement there and leave no room for ambiguity personally, not to mention a much simpler working life.

Change camps? Not really. I believe in a fair price for a fair job, fairly straight forward. If others want to undervalue themselves, far be it for me to argue, although I would point out that is it significantly more cost effective to do the job right rather than blanket the place all and sundry right before justifying it by pointing out yours is the lowest price for a can of X.

And of course, now those chickens are coming home to roost as everything is becoming resistant, in which case, I am not totally certain who will have the last laugh. It does give me a peculiar sense of glee however, when I read comments like: 'don't need a pre-em, just broadway star it all in the spring....'

Do the job properly or do not do it at all in my book.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I am involved in sales, but I do advise. A lot of my time is spent advising on things which I have not sold, or are not possible to sell anyway. In effect, I am selling my advice in many instances.

You will now insist you are not a salesman yet you persist in being involved in supplying things. I find this very confusing. Were I in your shoes, I would simply send out recommendations, ending my involvement there and leave no room for ambiguity personally, not to mention a much simpler working life.

Change camps? Not really. I believe in a fair price for a fair job, fairly straight forward. If others want to undervalue themselves, far be it for me to argue, although I would point out that is it significantly more cost effective to do the job right rather than blanket the place all and sundry right before justifying it by pointing out yours is the lowest price for a can of X.

And of course, now those chickens are coming home to roost as everything is becoming resistant, in which case, I am not totally certain who will have the last laugh. It does give me a peculiar sense of glee however, when I read comments like: 'don't need a pre-em, just broadway star it all in the spring....'

Do the job properly or do not do it at all in my book.

How are you selling your advice if not able to sell a product as well?

 

[Clive]

My agronomist doesn't supply anything - he's paid for his advice, its as simple as that

 

[Steevo]

How are you selling your advice if not able to sell a product as well?

Same as a solicitor, accountant etc.

Pay professionals professional fees. Buy products separately. Best advice, best prices. If you don't like the advice or prices, change it.

 

[Hampton]

How are you selling your advice if not able to sell a product as well?

The farmer may ask him about other aspects of growing crops. Fart programs, seed treatments, variety choice, and perhaps he doesn't sell these products. You still have to advise though.

 

[Woodlander]

The farmer may ask him about other aspects of growing crops. Fart programs, seed treatments, variety choice, and perhaps he doesn't sell these products. You still have to advise though.

Fart programmes. I'm missing a trick - better start to offer that service! [emoji23]

 

[Hampton]

Fart programmes. I'm missing a trick - better start to offer that service! [emoji23]

I'm not even going to edit that!

 

[SilliamWhale]

Same as a solicitor, accountant etc.

Pay professionals professional fees. Buy products separately. Best advice, best prices. If you don't like the advice or prices, change it.

Yes I get that but I was asking if thats how he does it or not ie does he charge for advice or take a cut of what is sold after. If its the latter it means he's a price maker and therefore his perspective is different.

Anyway back to Yagro. How long does it take for you to get your quotes? Frontier won't quote because I don't have an account with them - so does this mean I have to set up an account with them before quoting? Another company with whom i don't have an account with have quoted. Have you guys have had lots of different companies quote or just one or two?