Yeoman / Farmer

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
British, really.
Although Scotland has had perhaps different adaptations, perhaps; it has always been a very intrinsic part of Britain, since early times, to keep the great unwashed poor at the expense of the elite.
Protection, and it still exists, even though the class/caste system has largely been broken down the very rich and powerful still want to keep a firm hold of large tracts of land and wealth - this largely does explain how and why those of us outside never really "get it", in many respects.

I know I don't, and I have gone to lengths to learn about these things, but protection of the wealth has always been a cornerstone of the United Kingdom in some way, shape or form- and war, governance and governmentality, too.

These are intrinsic and were put there for good reason.... whether these things are still fit for purpose in socialist 2018 is open to debate!

I actually originally wrote British . . .

but then, it seemed to me that all the power & money & land in Britain somehow is controlled by the English anyway . . .
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
British, really.
Although Scotland has had perhaps different adaptations, perhaps; it has always been a very intrinsic part of Britain, since early times, to keep the great unwashed poor at the expense of the elite.
Protection, and it still exists, even though the class/caste system has largely been broken down the very rich and powerful still want to keep a firm hold of large tracts of land and wealth - this largely does explain how and why those of us outside never really "get it", in many respects.

I know I don't, and I have gone to lengths to learn about these things, but protection of the wealth has always been a cornerstone of the United Kingdom in some way, shape or form- and war, governance and governmentality, too.

These are intrinsic and were put there for good reason.... whether these things are still fit for purpose in socialist 2018 is open to debate!

Many estates were gifted directly by the Sovereign who required loyal enforcers
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Many estates were gifted directly by the Sovereign who required loyal enforcers
Quite.
It really is "a rich tapestry" even though that is an overworked cliché... but perception and our paradigms here are just so much different - like our early British settlers were keen to hang on to so much of what was familiar, but desperate to rid themselves of birthright/class that had held them down for generations.... freedom, of a type never tasted before (y)

(I would imagine the Australians to have a similar, yet again different interpretation again.)

It seems that it has often been a challenge to stop folk leaving the countryside in droves, there is only so much that can be reaped from the land, and at times the smallholdings are the most vulnerable, financially

Now that the industrial model is breaking down slowly, with rising costs that outputs can't keep up with.... at some point, that logically goes bang :(

We antipodeans may not "get" protectionism, but it is important to realise why it is there, and also to realise that we all do adapt to our environment in order to survive - even if we don't really understand that environment's relevance, today

But, again this is your environment - if the new politicians want to "protect the environment", then the whole thing must be, this includes the crofters and Yeoman smallholders as much as the crakes and pigeon-nests, IMO these are all unique and priceless attributes of your rural environment.

Providing new combines, not so much? :bag:

This is probably the biggest hurdle, in the public eye, of continuation of rural support: they just don't see or care about the struggle that goes on - again, they probably don't even know what a Yeoman farmer is, because he likely isn't drawing silage and holding up the school-run?
Out of sight, out of mind (n)
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
How do you make that out? My uncle had a Turner,and it was a good tractor in its day.It would be good to own that tractor now; it will be worth a few bob.

Unfortunately it was very unreliable especially with the V4 engine and expensive. Only 2100 were produced over and 8 year period, hence the desirability today. Great site here if you want to know more about them.(y)
http://turnermanufacturing.org.uk/yeoman-of-england-tractors
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Anyone watching Poldark?

The Poldark cousins, Ross and Francis, if real [sigh], would have been Yeoman at the boundary with Country Squires. Think the term used was Sqire-een or something very like it.
Their respective fathers (brothers) would have been a rung below in terms of connections and education, but would not have been dissimilar in their outlook.

Sound, adaptable people who arose from the trials of centuries of religious persecution, Civil War and Cromwell's Commonwealth with a sense of moral duty and a drive to improve the lot of the general population around them. Willing to make themselves poor rather than have those dependent on them suffer.

No rose-tinted spectacles required ~ people like them really did exist, and, amazingly, their kind are not extinct.

But the culture of late 1970s and all the 1980s erupted.

As Granfer would say: Tidn' only the cream that rises.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
WTF is it with you people & old sh!t heap tractors ? :facepalm::banghead:

fuuuck me, new tractors are bad enough without having to put up with the old pansies
Depreciation - that's my only answer.
I have much much less need of a tractor than anyone I know, and I have 80 cattle housed.
But, massive depreciation is a cost my business simply cannot bear - and it still does a better job here than ANYTHING that I could buy new, and probably more reliably as all the probable breakages would have broken by now.
It's 3480kg with the duals on, air cooled, air conned, 90 proper horses and 52° of steering angle is good for a FWA

And in ten years, it will be worth as much.
Nuffield probably appreciating due to rarity of a sound one down here, even lighter, fuel miser, and sentimental value

New tractors do my head in by comparison, in my scenario it is: 'do I want a farm or a new tractor' in the short term - and I don't mind if it is the case in the long term :cool:

good old tub :)

Of course I can simply buy what I want, I have the means, as you know; but the principle of low cost farming is to really only spend on assets, not increase "liabilities we prefer to call assets" :whistle:

- which is a trap that many fall into, spend, and have to claw it back - not really an asset then, is it?
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
With out reading a this is not a Yeoman someone who worked for a big estate . Collecting rent and such things .keeping an eye over the estate

Could be I suppose, as Yeoman can mean many things. But I see it in this instance as a land holding freeman and as such a senior member of the parish who maybe called upon to carryout a number of additional duties like being a bailiff on behalf of the lord of the manor if necessary. Your not thinking of a Factor?
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Only in the historical sense ~ well, it should be ~ well, that's how I relate to it. Part of the route map to 2018, I s'pose.

Fair bit of "How did we get here from there" going on, atm. Must be boggling for our farming cousins abroad.
Boggling but intriguing - for me at least

You are indeed correct - hard b soft b or no b at all, GB seems more conflicted and divided and pressured than anytime in recent history - and it has always been impressed on me to keep an eye on these matters, as it is really the only way to stop it happening to us.

TFF is the peacetime equivalent of the "Distant Early Warning" system: the miner's canary, as Dad explained to me.
Little of what is happening in Britain can not happen here - regulations, control measures, we already have you beaten for urbanised, disconnected majority.... this little bit of insight is really quite valuable, as you can see.

I sort of fit in - the modern title that I prefer is "part-time mini-ranch owner" which is in effect the essence of being a Yeoman farmer, by another name.
The mindset is different - even without a class system.
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Boggling but intriguing - for me at least

You are indeed correct - hard b soft b or no b at all, GB seems more conflicted and divided and pressured than anytime in recent history - and it has always been impressed on me to keep an eye on these matters, as it is really the only way to stop it happening to us.

TFF is the peacetime equivalent of the "Distant Early Warning" system: the miner's canary, as Dad explained to me.
Little of what is happening in Britain can not happen here - regulations, control measures, we already have you beaten for urbanised, disconnected majority.... this little bit of insight is really quite valuable, as you can see.

I sort of fit in - the modern title that I prefer is "part-time mini-ranch owner" which is in effect the essence of being a Yeoman farmer, by another name.
The mindset is different - even without a class system.


<<<< part-time mini-ranch owner >>>>

Like it (y)
It's something I could aspire to :) ~ particularly when involved in a mini-rodeo with a bunch of rebellious cattle :LOL:

Interesting observation about the miner's canary. That hadn't occurred to me, but then, I'm new.
As my maternal Grandpa would say: "Forewarned is forearmed."

What's that?

>Squawk!< ... ... ...


... ... Nope, no <Thud> ... ... ...


yet.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
You are thinking of a bailiff.
Mentioned in the estate papers here Estate RecordsDescription: Mortgage for £12 from Thomas Llewelin ap David of Kilkennin, co. Card., yeoman, to David Lloid ap Morgan Ichan of Ystrat, co. Card., gent., of three parcels of land called Tir-y-koed, Tythyn-y-bulch and Tythyn-pant-y-gasseg in said p. Kilkennin. Latin
 

beefandsleep

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Location
Staffordshire
That doesn’t read as a yeoman being an estate bailiff to me. Is not his occupation or status as yeoman incidental?
Actually on rereading it sounds like the man referred to as a yeoman is the debtor paying his mortgage to the second man who is the lender.
 

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