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American meat is 'safe for UK trade deal', farmers say
By Kamal AhmedEconomics editor

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Chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-injected beef should be part of a UK/US free trade deal, a farming union said.

Roger Johnson, president of America's National Farmers Union, said US food was "perfectly safe" and there had been a lot of "fear-mongering".

The politically-influential union represents more than 200,000 US farms.

Mr Johnson also told the BBC that a free trade deal would open up the huge US market to British products in a boost for UK farmers.

Agricultural products are likely to form a central part of any free trade deal with America that both the UK and US governments have said they want to sign when Brexit has been completed.

Any deal is likely to be controversial and the British National Farmers Union has already made it clear its reservations about allowing open access to US food products.

American food standards have been criticised in the UK and the European Union prohibits many US products.

They include chicken, which is routinely washed in chlorine to remove bacteria; beef injected with growth hormones and pork injected with the drug ractopamine, which aids the building of muscle mass in pigs.

The EU and the US also have very different approaches to genetic modification, with America allowing it in many crops that are exported.

The EU is more cautious and any opening up of the market between the US and the UK on food could affect the UK's trade with the rest of Europe, where much of Britain's food exports are sent.

The United States Trade Representative, which draws up policy recommendations for the President, said that the EU bans on American food "unnecessarily restrict trade" and were not based on "scientific principles".

With the UK due to leave the EU and the single market and the government planning to quit the customs union, the UK will able to sign free trade deals with other countries, including America.

"I would not argue that it is a lower standard, I would argue it's a different standard," Mr Johnson told me about the different scientific approaches on either side of the Atlantic.

He said that America was more "risk-tolerant": "I think it is fair to say that the standards that we follow allow for more rapid scientific advancement, that a more cautionary approach [from the EU] means that scientific advances are going to happen more slowly.

"The trade negotiations need to figure out a way to allow both of these standards to be used and in a way that is honest and truthful - and let consumers choose."

Mr Johnson said that strong cultural and political links between the US and Britain meant that agreement was possible and stronger trade would be a boost to the economies of both countries.

He also argued that clear labelling would be important so that consumers could decide what they wanted to buy.

There was also a growing market in America for British products because of the different standards, which were often a "fashionable" choice for many Americans.

"Why is it that it is governments that are saying 'no you're not allowed to do this' or 'you're not allowed to do that' if the processes are judged to be safe, in one or both of the countries?" he said.

"Let's be transparent about it and let the consumers make the decision. There's a lot of fear-mongering that happens around these kinds of things: 'Oh my god, we don't want to be eating chlorine, that's a gas that kills people'.

"You know what - water is a liquid that drowns people; it doesn't mean we don't drink it."

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milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Sadly, it will probably become a reality. We should be targeting food labelling NOW.

Get the consumers used to seeing CHLORINE FREE CHICKEN and BEEF WITHOUT ARTIFICIAL GROWTH PROMOTERS on packaging, 'cos sure as eggs is eggs, when the Yankie stuff gets here, it'll say produced in the USA may contain chlorine and artificial growth promoters.

Good post. Do we have an organisation that represents us robustly and is already on the ball? :banghead:
 

Werzle

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Location
Midlands
Not supporting it but is chlorine washed chicken so bad?
We put chlorine in drinking water here. It's in swimming baths.
Plus how many of us when on holiday in america eat chicken and beef without a second thought to chlorine or hormones. The best we can hope for is clearly labelled country of origin products and then just hope the general public choose ours. Lets be honest, We highlight possible health risks of american products to help our argument not because we are worried about peoples health. We are only worried about our profits in reality and rightly so. Free trade is a good thing in my opinion but only if all goverments let business's stand on there own without subs .
 
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KMA

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Dumfriesshire
Said it before and will say it again, adding chlorine to water will in future be revealed to be one of the biggest mistakes we've made with regards to the long term health of the population.

As to stuffing hormones into beef animals whether in feed or pellets or injection, words fail me - we banned the practice in the UK for very good reasons. That we would even consider letting this crap into the country as part of a trade deal is beyond belief.

Problem is our politicians are clueless and our Ag leaders like to think they are captains of industry who's opinions are taken seriously instead of the irrelevent stooges the decision makers regard them as.
 

beefandsleep

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Staffordshire
I actually have no problem with a full on free trade deal on all ag and food products with the US. It’s a massive market for us and our products which are high quality and high welfare and will be well received over there. BUT mandatory country of origin labelling is a non negotiable must and all products containing hormone reared meat or indeed anything produced in a way that doesn’t conform to our (perceived ) higher standards has to be labelled as such.
 

wilber

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wales
Cheaper production costs due to banned production methods over here will be great for the UK agricultural industries competition. It's about time food was cheaper and farmers recieved less money for just watching the grass grow the lazy buggers.
 

JCMaloney

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Once we have Brexit we should lobby hard for a proper Origen of food labelling law
Where country of production means where is is grown farmed or reared
No get out by stating produced when it is only processed in uk.
This needs to be seperate from manufactured when the product is only assembled in the uk

^^^^^^^ this. (y)
 

JCMaloney

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@wilber I`m kind of guessing we would know who to blame. The politicians over the last 20+ years have often hid behind "EU Legislation"... they might have to start being accountable to us. Who knows!

After 30 or so years in the commercial meat trade & retail I have seen some very "imaginative" labelling.
 

wilber

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@wilber I`m kind of guessing we would know who to blame. The politicians over the last 20+ years have often hid behind "EU Legislation"... they might have to start being accountable to us. Who knows!

After 30 or so years in the commercial meat trade & retail I have seen some very "imaginative" labelling.

Often the problem has been how the UK has interpreted EU legislation rather than EU legislation itself.
 

joe soapy

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devon
@wilber I`m kind of guessing we would know who to blame. The politicians over the last 20+ years have often hid behind "EU Legislation"... they might have to start being accountable to us. Who knows!

After 30 or so years in the commercial meat trade & retail I have seen some very "imaginative" labelling.

Ha, i once asked the chap responsible for writing the beef labeling regs if he ever read the label when shopping, He was shocked at the suggestion that he should check if his rules were complied with
 
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Cheaper production costs due to banned production methods over here will be great for the UK agricultural industries competition. It's about time food was cheaper and farmers recieved less money for just watching the grass grow the lazy buggers.

So are you saying that we should have lower welfare standards/ be allowed to use growth promoters etc like in the states?? which will result in a low farm gate price for us..

Or are you saying we should allow lower welfare beef etc that has been reared using growth promoters etc whilst we must keep or raise our welfare standards and not use growth promoters? Ie so we will be trying to sell our high price beef alongside cheap imports on the same shelve.

If this meat is allowed into the UK then we will have to be allowed to do option 1 because if you have option 2 it would turn UK beef/ chicken etc into a very small niche market with most UK producers driven out business..

Have no bones about it the UK Gov wants cheap food on the supermarket shelves and 90% of consumers will buy the cheapest food regardless of where it has come from and how it has been raised.

The only good thing will be if these imports come in and we have to lower our welfare rules/ use growth promoters etc is that it will be the end of the road for Minettes favourite red tape/ adding cost pet project aka farm assurance/ the RT company.
 

Steevo

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Gloucestershire
Having just read this (https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/taking-back-control.218786/) about the fishing industry, and now this topic it does make you wonder where we will end up.

A dumping ground for others produce because we are too weak to stand up to other countries about the principles we hold our UK industries too....based on what shoppers *say*, despite the public not following those when they go to a shop.

Seems a very strange situation.......
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Can someone enlighten me as to why finishing cattle on cereals that may have had up to a dozen sprayer passes is "better" than cattle that have been fed on pasture only, but with HGP used?

Maybe that part could be disclosed on packaging, to allow the prejudice of the consumer to dictate what they buy, as opposed to farmer prejudice telling them what they think they should buy?

Not looking to stir up a scrap but many consumers are terrified of glyphosate and yet that appears to be a major precursor of beef production in many systems - are you sure you want the "level playing field" or is it merely the feel-good-factor talking?

Pots calling kettles black...

How much carbon is released to produce 'profitable beef' I fear may be of more concern to the buying public than any number of claims of better welfare - ration fuel consumption and see what 'welfare' is in your context

Either way it is of no concern to me, but felt obliged to point out the hypocrisy is largely based on prejudice against chemical/hormonal treatments, is it rational though?
 
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