Young Britons really want socialism (without paying for it)

[DrWazzock]

I had this request from a lefty lecturer to allow students to drive my best tractor to give them a positive experience of farming. Well, err, what about starting with the real work like pulling blackgrass or bolters out of beet? That's the reality and more akin to the kind of organic pesticide free tripe they lecture us about. But no, everybody wants to sit on their arse on the big tractor. Well it ain't happening while I'm still doing the manual work or lathered in oil and greasing fixing it.

 

[DrWazzock]

Total hypocrisy
From the do as I say not as I do brigade.
Pathetic.
( I do recognise not all posters on this thread suckle from the subsidy teat)

Sooner the subsidy is gone the better. It won't go from the towns and cities though will it. 40 years worth of UK total farming subsidy spent on HS2 to build a railway line so folks can do their christmas shopping in London. Total hypocrisy.

 

[essex man]

Have often thought of setting up a communist run farm. I wonder how many would still be here after a week roguing getting bitten by clegs and soaked by downpours. Then finding that they have earned 50p an hour when the profits are divvied up at the end of the year. I think some would stick it actually, the same folk who thrive as self employed, but a lot would be gone after a couple of days. Doesn't matter which system it is, there is still work to be done. Socialists talk the talk but rarely walk the walk, just wanting to be the boss.

My farm was run along those lines during the war and for several years after.
The dream of a socialist utopia, everyone sharing the work and the proceeds.
Lasted quite a number of years whilst it descended in resentment and acrimony for obvious reasons.

Respect to them for actually walking the walk but all it proved in the end was that it doesn't work.

 

[Ashtree]

Oh dear….

 

[DrWazzock]

The fundamental problem with socialism is need a “boss” to make the executive decisions otherwise it descends into a committee run fudge like we see wit our Parish Council and absolutely nothing gets done. The “boss” then has more “power” than the others. Socialists don’t like this hard reality. Everybody had to be able to have their say but unfortunately that never works because sone people, like or not, are born balmy, and always will be.

 

[DrWazzock]

As the old folks in the village so often say, “what we really need is a period of military dictatorship.” The older I get the more I am inclined to agree with them.

 

[essex man]

The fundamental problem with socialism is need a “boss” to make the executive decisions otherwise it descends into a committee run fudge like we see wit our Parish Council and absolutely nothing gets done. The “boss” then has more “power” than the others. Socialists don’t like this hard reality. Everybody had to be able to have their say but unfortunately that never works because sone people, like or not, are born balmy, and always will be.

Yep, here apparently meetings about who doing what dragged on for half the day quite often.
Some were more willing to work, began to resent those less willing and so on.

 

[lazy farmer]

Nothing wrong with the young wanting to try something different when they look at the absolute mess their elders have made.

 

[essex man]

Nothing wrong with the young wanting to try something different when they look at the absolute mess their elders have made.

Absolutely!
Much better to actually try then warble on about how things would be better if ....

 

[DrWazzock]

Nothing wrong with the young wanting to try something different when they look at the absolute mess their elders have made.

Nothing to stop them collectively buying a farm/factory or whatever and running it along socialist lines. Show us how it’s done.
But wait, they want to use somebody else’s money to do it, not their own.

 

[lazy farmer]

Absolutely!
Much better to actually try then warble on about how things would be better if ....

What you mean like how most threads go on here ?

 

[Guleesh]

'Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.'

This quote sums it up for me, not sure who quoted it though.

 

[essex man]

What you mean like how most threads go on here ?

[emoji3]yep

 

[essex man]

'Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.'

This quote sums it up for me, not sure who quoted it though.

Yes, there's a lot in that!
Maybe it's because for many at 20, equality means you get richer, while at 40 you get poorer.

 

[Storeman]

'Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.'

This quote sums it up for me, not sure who quoted it though.

I think it may have been Churchill who said that.

 

[Guleesh]

I think it may have been Churchill who said that.

I thought so too for a while but apparently it's not true. I read somewhere that the quote pre-dates him

 

[tje]

On a communist run farm the"workers" aren't allowed to leave .

Have often thought of setting up a communist run farm. I wonder how many would still be here after a week roguing getting bitten by clegs and soaked by downpours. Then finding that they have earned 50p an hour when the profits are divvied up at the end of the year. I think some would stick it actually, the same folk who thrive as self employed, but a lot would be gone after a couple of days. Doesn't matter which system it is, there is still work to be done. Socialists talk the talk but rarely walk the walk, just wanting to be the boss.

 

[tje]

Anybody born after 1950 has had a comparatively easy time compared to past generations tbh .

Nothing wrong with the young wanting to try something different when they look at the absolute mess their elders have made.

 

[lazy farmer]

Anybody born after 1950 has had a comparatively easy time compared to past generations tbh .

Part of me agrees with that on a financial level. But mental health today is far worse.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Ashtree, could you remind us in which countries socialism has ever brought more wealth to all the population, instead of making the commissars richer and everyone else miserable?

China