Young Britons really want socialism (without paying for it)

[wanton dwarf]

Rotfl.
5 million Poles in UK. Weird, since any statistics online show slightly above 1mln at the highest.
Please show me a source of your circa 500% higher number.
Blaming foreigners, typical...


Edit: According to EU settlement status statistical data in UK:
Between August 2018 and March 2021 there's 4 910 690 people with settled or pre-settled status
In that number, there are 975 180 Poles.
Does it mean there are over 4 millions Poles missing? Did 4 millions left? How many of them are hiding?
So many questions raised, because of one man with made up number...

Perhaps there are some online statistics now, they cannot be definative because neither the UK nor Poland nor anyone else actually records such figures. Hence you are relying on a UK settlement scheme not reality.

You then go on to use that figure as a factual figure of Polish residency - which it obviously is not, that's the figure who applied for settlement status.

Regardless of the true figure, the net result was a significant drop in wages and work for Self Employed UK workers.

A point which you ignore, which says a lot about you.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Funny because as I remember it, it was the never ending strikes costing firms their businesses that caused manufacturing to be sent abroad, unions at that time seemed to think that bringing a company to it‘s knees would bring pay rises for it’s workers.
Then as now if you put prat’s in a position of power there is only one outcome!

True.

But don't forget we also had and still have a band of upper class pratts who get put in positions and are truely clueless or wreckless. Plenty in HMG at the moment and during that era we had plenty as Directors of UK companies.

 

[7610 super q]

IIRC, at one point in the '70's the Longbridge factory had 190 separate strikes and go -slows on going at the same time. Hardly the fault of management.

 

[BrianV]

I would say it was part of the problem. But a very significant part was the the post war governments use of Marshall aid, every other country in Europe spent it mostly on rebuilding their war shattered industries. The UK spent most of its money trying to cling on to its position as a world leader through high-tech weapons development. So you had the UK on the one hand developing atomic bombs and V bombers, at the other still building new classes of steam locomotive and reopening pre-war factories producing in the same old things in the same old way again because of no investment.

No sensible business in the 70s would ever consider large investment modernising their businesses as it would immediately be met with strike action for a pay rise due to any change in working practises, instead of the unions waiting to see if it made the company more profitable to be able to pay higher wages they simply crippled any company considering this before the investment was made!
When has a trade union ever taken over a failing company, invested it's own money & made a success of it, socialism is simply spending other peoples money with no responsibility for the outcome.

 

[BrianV]

True.

But don't forget we also had and still have a band of upper class pratts who get put in positions and are truely clueless or wreckless. Plenty in HMG at the moment and during that era we had plenty as Directors of UK companies.

A country gets the prats in power that it usually votes for & deserves!

 

[Ashtree]

There’s a few on here, need to get out more….

 

[Ley253]

Sooner the subsidy is gone the better. It won't go from the towns and cities though will it. 40 years worth of UK total farming subsidy spent on HS2 to build a railway line so folks can do their christmas shopping in London. Total hypocrisy.

Which, by the time it is built they wont do! By then all shopping will done on line. Still wont cost too much to convert the rolling stock to freight cars.

 

[unlacedgecko]

 

[Rowland]

Teacher Fails Entire Class:
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that she had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on this plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars — something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

 

[wanton dwarf]

A country gets the prats in power that it usually votes for & deserves!

I'm a positve person. I like to believe we can live better and I hope we get to see that situation soon.

 

[robs1]

Of course I do and the facts back it up. Who do you see as responsible for the success or otherwise of a business?

Yes lack of investment and bad management were a large problem but so were the unions going on strike every five minutes and demarcation was the main problem.
When the japanese came in there was no such problems or issues, they had one union not loads which lead to egos clashing, they had flexible working practices and perhaps most importantly a fresh start. Look at the NHS today still hamstrung by political dogma if nissan et al ran it we would have a far better service, my mrs works in it and its unbelievable how bad its run and how many poor workers there are in it.

 

[Mek]

I'm a positve person. I like to believe we can live better and I hope we get to see that situation soon.

The conservatives have been governing the country for over ten years now. In that time they have managed to double the national debt the debt is more than all the accumulated debts left by Labour governments. Ten years is a relatively long time in the life of a government and I haven’t noticed anyone living better. How long do we have to wait for a better situation ?

 

[le bon paysan]

The conservatives have been governing the country for over ten years now. In that time they have managed to double the national debt the debt is more than all the accumulated debts left by Labour governments. Ten years is a relatively long time in the life of a government and I haven’t noticed anyone living better. How long do we have to wait for a better situation ?

The Moggster said 50 years didn't he?

 

[wanton dwarf]

The conservatives have been governing the country for over ten years now. In that time they have managed to double the national debt the debt is more than all the accumulated debts left by Labour governments. Ten years is a relatively long time in the life of a government and I haven’t noticed anyone living better. How long do we have to wait for a better situation ?

Civil Servants are now earning £150K+ plus living allowances and pensions. Ordinary "Plebs" have stood still.

Would be nice to see some admission that financing the EU, Foreign Aid and Covid have all played their part.

TBH I think Liberal London is going to bring the whole country down.


No one is going to vote for a Party which puts Jeremy Corbyn as the leader - that should be blatantly obvious to a dead fish.

 

[BrianV]

The conservatives have been governing the country for over ten years now. In that time they have managed to double the national debt the debt is more than all the accumulated debts left by Labour governments. Ten years is a relatively long time in the life of a government and I haven’t noticed anyone living better. How long do we have to wait for a better situation ?

And yet all we have heard from Labour is "Austerity Austerity" which suggests they would have spent far more doesn't it?

 

[capfits]

Civil Servants are now earning £150K+ plus living allowances and pensions. Ordinary "Plebs" have stood still.

Would be nice to see some admission that financing the EU, Foreign Aid and Covid have all played their part.

TBH I think Liberal London is going to bring the whole country down.


No one is going to vote for a Party which puts Jeremy Corbyn as the leader - that should be blatantly obvious to a dead fish.

Ah I see under the Tories or is that Toerags the establishment continue to well feather their own nest.
What is more there appears to be no jeopardy for their dodgy, questionable and corrupt behaviour.
Lovely.

And tell me again what is the average civil servant salary, how many are earning £150k packages?

 

[Mek]

And yet all we have heard from Labour is "Austerity Austerity" which suggests they would have spent far more doesn't it?

?. You’ll have to explain that to me, I would have thought quite the opposite.

 

[BrianV]

?. You’ll have to explain that to me, I would have thought quite the opposite.

Where have you been for the last 12 years?

 

[Ashtree]

Civil Servants are now earning £150K+ plus living allowances and pensions. Ordinary "Plebs" have stood still.

Would be nice to see some admission that financing the EU, Foreign Aid and Covid have all played their part.

TBH I think Liberal London is going to bring the whole country down.


No one is going to vote for a Party which puts Jeremy Corbyn as the leader - that should be blatantly obvious to a dead fish.

Bless you. Enough people voted for the party led by him, to force T May to throw a big fat bung to the Ulster Flat Earth party to keep the Corrupt Conservative Party in power. That was a very close call indeed.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Civil Servants are now earning £150K+ plus living allowances and pensions. Ordinary "Plebs" have stood still.

Would be nice to see some admission that financing the EU, Foreign Aid and Covid have all played their part.

TBH I think Liberal London is going to bring the whole country down.


No one is going to vote for a Party which puts Jeremy Corbyn as the leader - that should be blatantly obvious to a dead fish.

What would you expect a senior Civil Servant to earn, £10k and some food vouchers? It might be galling, but most of these folk could easily earn 3 or 4 times that in private industry.