Young Drivers and trailers?
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Dave W
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- chesterfield
Can't help with tractor and trailer but anyone who passed the driving test after jan 97 can only tow a 750kg max gross unbraked trailer.
Mad For Muck
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- Midlands
Tom W
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- Peterborough
Anyone taking car test after Dec 96 is restricted to towing 750kg un-braked or a combination of 3500kg MAM, providing the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the GVW of the towing vehicle.Pick-up and ifor type trailers will require B+E licence.
Tractor and trailer combos up to 24450kg in weight can be driven on a car licence.
Tractor and trailer combos up to 24450kg in weight can be driven on a car licence.
Stoxs
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- Andover , Hampshire
by someone over the age of 21 i think you will find.
I am sure there is weight limits for people under 21, if its the same as when i was 21!!
it used to increase with the age.
Tom W
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- Peterborough
Think that rule has disappeared, although it could be still valid. Will ask VOSA next week, they should know but probably wont !
Stoxs
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- Andover , Hampshire
Ahh been changed then, there used to be some restrictions under 21 but this was ummmmm 20 ish years ago.
This is what I just lifted from Mike Braithwaites book about agricultrual tractors on the road.
Driver Licence Categories.
Wheeled Agricultural or Forestry Tractor Cat F
Wheeled Agricultural Motor NOT been a tractor or tracklaying vehicle. Cat B (See Further down)
Wheeled Agricultural Motor Vehicle which is NOT a tractor or a tracklayer towing a trailer which is in excess of 750Kg MAM. EG combine with header trailer. Cat B+E.
Agricultraul motor vehicles which are not classed as a tractor, has 3 or 4 wheels, ULW Not exceeding 550kgs eg Quad Bike. Cat B1
Tracklaying vehicle which is steered by its tracks, whether used for agriculture or not. Eg Cat Challenger Cat H
Track laying vehicle which is not steered by its tracks, weather used for agriculture or not. Eg Case IH Quad Track. Cat B.
Drivers Ages.
Under 16 not allowed on the road.
16 with provisional License can only drive agricultural vehicle on the road:
(a) going to a driving test
(b) During a driving test
(c) Returning from a driving test (if failed)
16- Having passed a test he may drive an agricultural vehicle on the road provided;
(a) The tractor is mounted on wheels
(b) Has an overall width of not more than 2.45m (8ft)
(c) it is specially licensed as an agricultural vehicle.
(d) It is not drawing a trailer other than a two wheeled trailer one or a close coupled 4 wheel trailer neither been in excess of 2.45m (8ft) wide.
note; Close coupled means that the centre of the axles are no more than 840mm apart (approx 32 inches).
17-21 years of age
Agricultraul tractor PROVIDED that it is not a track laying vehicle.
over 21- No restrictions
Any vehicle NOT classified as a tractor eg. combine harvester, Pea Viner, Spraying machine, etc.
(i) if up to 3.5 tonnes--- 17 years of age
(ii) if between 3.5 and 7.5 tonnes--- 18 years of age
(iii) if over 7.5 tonnes 21 years of age
This is pretty much a summary of it, there is a few more details on it but that covers the vast majority of situations.
Driver Licence Categories.
Wheeled Agricultural or Forestry Tractor Cat F
Wheeled Agricultural Motor NOT been a tractor or tracklaying vehicle. Cat B (See Further down)
Wheeled Agricultural Motor Vehicle which is NOT a tractor or a tracklayer towing a trailer which is in excess of 750Kg MAM. EG combine with header trailer. Cat B+E.
Agricultraul motor vehicles which are not classed as a tractor, has 3 or 4 wheels, ULW Not exceeding 550kgs eg Quad Bike. Cat B1
Tracklaying vehicle which is steered by its tracks, whether used for agriculture or not. Eg Cat Challenger Cat H
Track laying vehicle which is not steered by its tracks, weather used for agriculture or not. Eg Case IH Quad Track. Cat B.
Drivers Ages.
Under 16 not allowed on the road.
16 with provisional License can only drive agricultural vehicle on the road:
(a) going to a driving test
(b) During a driving test
(c) Returning from a driving test (if failed)
16- Having passed a test he may drive an agricultural vehicle on the road provided;
(a) The tractor is mounted on wheels
(b) Has an overall width of not more than 2.45m (8ft)
(c) it is specially licensed as an agricultural vehicle.
(d) It is not drawing a trailer other than a two wheeled trailer one or a close coupled 4 wheel trailer neither been in excess of 2.45m (8ft) wide.
note; Close coupled means that the centre of the axles are no more than 840mm apart (approx 32 inches).
17-21 years of age
Agricultraul tractor PROVIDED that it is not a track laying vehicle.
over 21- No restrictions
Any vehicle NOT classified as a tractor eg. combine harvester, Pea Viner, Spraying machine, etc.
(i) if up to 3.5 tonnes--- 17 years of age
(ii) if between 3.5 and 7.5 tonnes--- 18 years of age
(iii) if over 7.5 tonnes 21 years of age
This is pretty much a summary of it, there is a few more details on it but that covers the vast majority of situations.
JNP
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- Herefordshire
Tom W
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- Peterborough
NFU have got similar info on their website if you put in a search for "Driver Licencing" So in short it appears a 17 year old with a Cat B licence can run a tractor and trailer up to 24390kg but will need a B+E for a pick-up and Ifor type trailer, until DVLA/DSA decide to change it again !
As from September , anyone taking B+E will have to use a loaded trailer for test.
As from September , anyone taking B+E will have to use a loaded trailer for test.
Penmoel
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How will that work,does it have to be loaded to its full GVW?
If so loaded with what? Cement, Livestock?
I remember having this nonsense when trying to book aome B+E tests when they first came in, the clown on the phone was arguing that there must be a trailer weighing 3.5t with no load on it. Where do you find one of them? He eventually gave in when I pointed out that how does a 44tonne lorry driver do the tes? With a lorry weighing 44 tonnes empty??
Tom W
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- Peterborough
Trailers used on B+E test must be loaded with either 600kg sand bags or a 1000 L IBC filled with water.The actual weight of the loaded trailer must not be less than 800 kg. The load must be properly secured in the trailer.The trailers will be checked for weight/load security before test.
There will , no doubt, be a lot of people turned away for not having correct weight to start with when this comes in to force, I see people turned away now for not having test standard vehicles/trailers although all the information is there on the bookings website.
The cost for training will rise considerably to allow for increase in fuel usage, wear and tear etc, I would imagine c25%.
LGV Cat C must carry 5 X IBC and Cat C+E 8 x IBC. Most training companies I have spoken to will be looking to increase prices for these courses, once again , which in reality will mean probably £250-350 more, and if diesel cost keeps rising.....
Spanners ,you can drive your transit providing it is a 3.5 tonne (Cat B) vehicle and you dont exceed 3.5 t MAM.
There will , no doubt, be a lot of people turned away for not having correct weight to start with when this comes in to force, I see people turned away now for not having test standard vehicles/trailers although all the information is there on the bookings website.
The cost for training will rise considerably to allow for increase in fuel usage, wear and tear etc, I would imagine c25%.
LGV Cat C must carry 5 X IBC and Cat C+E 8 x IBC. Most training companies I have spoken to will be looking to increase prices for these courses, once again , which in reality will mean probably £250-350 more, and if diesel cost keeps rising.....
Spanners ,you can drive your transit providing it is a 3.5 tonne (Cat B) vehicle and you dont exceed 3.5 t MAM.
Penmoel
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Trailers used on B+E test must be loaded with either 600kg sand bags or a 1000 L IBC filled with water.The actual weight of the loaded trailer must not be less than 800 kg. quote]
you have not got enough sand
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
There has never been a restriction for 16- 21 year olds, With regard to max weight of tractor trailer combinations once they have passed the test. I do believe there is good argument for it , but that is the law
Philip Watkins
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- Back in Shropshire
C Vehicles over 3,500 kilograms, with a trailer up to 750 kilograms 21*
C+E As category C but with a trailer over 750 kilograms 21*
*Age 17 if you are a member of the armed services
However, you can drive these vehicles at age 18 if you:
- have passed your driving test and Driver CPC initial qualification
- are learning to drive or taking a driving test for this category or Driver CPC initial qualification
- are taking a national vocational training course to get a Driver CPC initial qualification
- had your driving licence before 10 September 2009 - you must take the CPC periodic training within five years of this date
F Agricultural tractors 17*
*Age 16 for tractors less than 2.45 metres wide, it must only pull trailers less than 2.45 metres wide with two wheels, or four close-coupled
(no mention of age related weight restriction)
you might as well speak french to them or double dutch
nick channer
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- buckinghamshire (south)
makes me laugh how lad who works for us flys about on fastrac or unimog with 34ft bale trailer with 700 conventional bales on board.. yet he cant deliver 10 bales in a truck and ifor williams trailer...
Tom W
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- Peterborough
Your lads days flying around on a fastrac or mog could be numbered. The DSA and VOSA have joined forces .Let the fun begin !