which you can go to sleep throughnot only that but CPC is a legal requirement, 5days ongoing training over 5 years
which you can go to sleep throughnot only that but CPC is a legal requirement, 5days ongoing training over 5 years
Plus knowing what to do when things start to go wrong.This tragic accident has shown how deadly farm traffic on the road can be, this was a 40k a speed you would expect to walk away from in a car accident yet many tractors are now running at 60k some getting towards 50ton gross, driven on a car license. Lack of maintenance or poor brakes are very rarely the cause of an accident it's usually done to driver error is it time drivers had hgv training.
Plus knowing what to do when things start to go wrong.
Not trying to second guess what happened but reading back through the original post it is highly likely the tractor was coming westbound down A14 for a few miles before he turned off, you would want to be going flat out along there as you would have lorries up your arse the whole time, the slip road is a bit unusual as it goes down an curved incline and there is a roundabout at the bottom. Witness statements say the trailer was bouncing and out of control as it was going downhill, it would then have to try to negotiate the roundabout. It would be hard to give training for what to do in this situation, often you get a scare and put it down to experience and get a second chance not to do the same thing again next time, unfortunately this young lad didn’t get that second chance.
Thats the lorry drivers problem, slow down you don't put yourself at risk just to please others.
Is there any country in the world any different? Tractors are banned from motorways but legal on all other roads. Depending on the road and the exact size/nature of trailer or machine attached there may well be other restrictions but comply with these and you're legal.That's the big thing I can't get my head around, you have vehicles going vastly different speeds all sharing the same roads. How can that be safe or sensible ?
It was a Claas Arion ? 630CNot that it's relevant to the topic at hand at all,I'm just curious ,what tractor was hitched to the trailer
The movement on the air 'ram' was 82mm. The movement on the hydraulic ram was measured at somewhere between 70 and 74. The brake shoes were only just touching the drum when operated on air, but were hardly at all when operated with the hydraulic system. The brakes were out of adjustment whichever way you look at it.There was some details in the court notes that the breaking system could be operated by both air and hydraulic, and that it may have been adjusted for air but was not functioning correctly with hydraulic which was all this tractor had as it was not the regular tractor to be coupled to that trailer - did I pick that up correctly ?
and lorries never crash or lose there loads ?It's all because you are running tractors on the roads doing jobs that ONLY HGVs should be doing . . .
It just amazes me you are allowed to use tractors & trailers to cart loads on the roads, especially considering your population, traffic & road systems . . .
Sheer bloody madness
And yes, I have worked on farms in the U.K. carting hay, grain & peas on public roads. That was in the early 90's & I hated it then. Can't even begin to imagine doing it now
Its not, a set speed for everyone should be 25 mph, virtually eliminate road deaths, encourage goods to be produced locally, discourage commuting, efficient, cut pollution & put freight back on rail.That's the big thing I can't get my head around, you have vehicles going vastly different speeds all sharing the same roads. How can that be safe or sensible ?
Wouldn't be much fun overtaking cyclists though....Its not, a set speed for everyone should be 25 mph, virtually eliminate road deaths, encourage goods to be produced locally, discourage commuting, efficient, cut pollution & put freight back on rail.
Win Win situation.
They'd have to get their act together and do 25mph too, along with electric scooters.Wouldn't be much fun overtaking cyclists though....
About average road speeds nowadays anywayIts not, a set speed for everyone should be 25 mph, virtually eliminate road deaths, encourage goods to be produced locally, discourage commuting, efficient, cut pollution & put freight back on rail.
Win Win situation.
The movement on the air 'ram' was 82mm. The movement on the hydraulic ram was measured at somewhere between 70 and 74. The brake shoes were only just touching the drum when operated on air, but were hardly at all when operated with the hydraulic system. The brakes were out of adjustment whichever way you look at it.
You are correct that the tractor only had hydraulic brakes. It was the first time that the trailer concerned had been used on that tractor, as far as anyone at the farm could remember.
I'm not sure if all dual systems are like that, it might depend on the manufacturer.Thanks for the explanation. I don’t know if all air/hydraulic systems are like this, but deffinately something I was not aware of before and something to be mindful of if you borrow a trailer. Something we can takeaway form this horrible mess
The expert witness for the defence also seemed to suggest that it was the law that all tractors have air brakes which I found bizzare if I picked up correctly.