You've got to laugh.....

[Scrambler]

It's better than banging your head against a brick wall.
I sent a load of Crusoe wheat to a feed mill yesterday. 15% protein and 71 bushel weight. So they made a £1/t claim. It was probably some of the best wheat they had seen all year. It's a crazy one sided system where they can deduct for slightly low bushel weight but add nothing on for the sky high protein.
Rant over, I'll get back in the ice bath.

 

[crazy_bull]

why did you send it as feed that is milling wheat at that level??

 

[marco]

It's better than banging your head against a brick wall.
I sent a load of Crusoe wheat to a feed mill yesterday. 15% protein and 71 bushel weight. So they made a £1/t claim. It was probably some of the best wheat they had seen all year. It's a crazy one sided system where they can deduct for slightly low bushel weight but add nothing on for the sky high protein.
Rant over, I'll get back in the ice bath.

There should be a system where you have to accept the claim before they take ownership of the load. Tell them to stick it

 

[Baling Hay]

There should be a system where you have to accept the claim before they take ownership of the load. Tell them to stick it

Exactly!

 

[Scrambler]

why did you send it as feed that is milling wheat at that level??

Low hagburg.

 

[crazy_bull]

ahhh, fair enough, agree it is a bugger this year

 

[crazy_bull]

There should be a system where you have to accept the claim before they take ownership of the load. Tell them to stick it

There generally is, we try to call with every load we get notified about before tipping however some mills tip and let you know later or they get tipped out of hours, however a £1 claim is cheaper than a return load costing approx £9/mt.

Just to play devils advocate, how about the wheat turns up sub 72kg (that it was sold on) and the mill tells you to stick it? More costly than a £1 claim.

 

[Scrambler]

I wonder which they would prefer, 15% p, 71kg, or 12% p, 72kg?

 

[czechmate]

I wonder which they would prefer, 15% p, 71kg, or 12% p, 72kg?

If they buy "full spec", then I suppose they would like "full spec"

If you bought a new car, would you accept it with no paint because it had a larger engine?

 

[Colin]

At least the deduction isn't on a % basis, it was painful when it was £1/kg when £100/t but not so bad now. Only spec on feed wheat is density and moisture, probably no mention of protein on spec. Not their fault you didn't get the hagberg.

 

[crazy_bull]

Most feed mills buy wheat on the assumption they will have to add protein so that is factored into the mix, all they want is 72kg 15% no spec on protein so could 9%or 19% for all they care, if they could buy a heap and I mean a heap, that was guaranteed high protein then they might look at it on an individual basis but otherwise one load with high protein is neither here or there once it goes into the mix, and yes you will say but so it doesn't matter on the kghl weight, but unfortunately that is what they want to buy.

C B

 

[crazy_bull]

At least the deduction isn't on a % basis, it was painful when it was £1/kg when £100/t but not so bad now. Only spec on feed wheat is density and moisture, probably no mention of protein on spec. Not their fault you didn't get the hagberg.

I think this would be a fairer system like they have on malting barley, a claim based on a percentage of the sale price? What do you think?

 

[Colin]

Would be better esp for bushel weight, current system is "lumpy".

 

[Chrisw]

I usually sell to a trader, tell them every year that I must be told of and accept the claim before they tip, or I will have the load back. Last year had a load go in, no deductions, comment from driver " some of the best barley we have seen so far". Next load, same pile .5% higher moisture and bushel 6 points down on previous load!! Being Friday the mill tipped it, then issued a claim for £6/t even though there was no way the two loads were that different. Had a call from my buyer on Monday to be told of the claim, refused to accept the claim and I would have the grain back "But Chris, it's already been tipped!", I explained that as I was not given an option to have it back, and the notes on the system explain the same, the buyer agreed and refunded the claim. It is always good to cover your back with some of these sharp practices mills etc use!

 

[franklin]

Had a call from my buyer on Monday to be told of the claim, refused to accept the claim and I would have the grain back "But Chris, it's already been tipped!", I explained that as I was not given an option to have it back, and the notes on the system explain the same, the buyer agreed and refunded the claim. It is always good to cover your back with some of these sharp practices mills etc use!

I have found that one destination "samples" the crop by getting some out of the spout of the trailer as it is tipped into the pit! They must know that I live a fair way from them, as any deductions have always been just that shade less than the load getting back to me.

Just to play devils advocate, how about the wheat turns up sub 72kg (that it was sold on) and the mill tells you to stick it? More costly than a £1 claim.

Yes, the whole system isnt perfect, but if everyone was rigid in what they would accept then it would soon grind to a halt. A lot of these smaller or should I say pickier destinations are soon going to be bucked up by these ethanol plants which are seemingly going to have moisture averaging and accept a whole range of wheats on fairly loose fallbacks. We live in the UK, a country not best known for large heaps of consistent grain quality. Those places who reckon they can pay a pound or two more are simply not going to get grain if to get the premiums you have to load one or two wagons a week rather than 12 in a day etc etc.