Guy Smith @ meeting with guth today
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gone up the hill
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It would be intresting to know what the total figure for the wages/ cost's are for the top office holders in the AHDB aka Peter kendall and his mates!!
PK is on £55k for a two day week, all he has managed to achieve for that is to derail/ delay the marketing campaign for British beef/ lamb this year, that is an utter scandal in itself let alone the fact he has given all the top jobs at the AHDB to his mates, let alone anything else we don't know about..
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I have been told by a reliable source that allegedly it was Jane King who sat on the lamb advertising. The report was left in her office for months and this shows how useless she is. IMO she should have been sacked for gross incompetence.
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Hmmmm. Should there be some sort of enquiry as to how such incompetence could happen? Surely a more general investigation should be conducted to discover the facts...........and then off with her head!!
If the owner of this website wants to use his website to call me a liar I suppose there is not much I can do to stop him as he controls the buttons. But @Clive for the record what I have said is that although I speak to hundreds of members at various NFU meetings not once has anyone raised OMOV or an NFU forum as an issue whereas lots of other issues are raised. I'm well aware you and others have raised the issue with me through your site.
I do have personal views about how the democracy of the NFU could be changed and I have expressed them in the past. However, as an office holder who is elected through the democratic process of the NFU it would be wholly inappropriate of me to try to influence or change the process. That change must come from Council not me. Council members are properly elected in a completely fair, open, democratic manner. If the handful of people on this site doubt that they should get involved and check it out rather than inventing ludicrous conspiracy theories.
And just for the record the NFU staff do not get involved in elections other than facilitate them. NFU staff are very professional in the way they do their jobs.
And on that subject I have a complaint for this site's moderators some of whom I understand are paid by Clive. Although I have had posts changed and moderated without my permission on here when I didn't think I'd broken any rules, twice now in as many weeks I've seen individuals use this website to anonymously name NFU staff and unfairly abuse them with disgraceful personal remarks. This behaviour is just plain wrong in my book but its also clearly in breach of the website rules but it hasn't been moderated or checked. Why is that?
As I've said before , I enjoy much of the contribution on here and find the posts useful and amusing but there are times when I think something rather wrong is going on. I don't mind being personally criticised on here, I've got thick skin and I can give as good as I can get, but I do object to people i know who go about their jobs in a very professional, committed manner getting personal abuse on here from people who abuse the veil of anonymity.
I do have personal views about how the democracy of the NFU could be changed and I have expressed them in the past. However, as an office holder who is elected through the democratic process of the NFU it would be wholly inappropriate of me to try to influence or change the process. That change must come from Council not me. Council members are properly elected in a completely fair, open, democratic manner. If the handful of people on this site doubt that they should get involved and check it out rather than inventing ludicrous conspiracy theories.
And just for the record the NFU staff do not get involved in elections other than facilitate them. NFU staff are very professional in the way they do their jobs.
And on that subject I have a complaint for this site's moderators some of whom I understand are paid by Clive. Although I have had posts changed and moderated without my permission on here when I didn't think I'd broken any rules, twice now in as many weeks I've seen individuals use this website to anonymously name NFU staff and unfairly abuse them with disgraceful personal remarks. This behaviour is just plain wrong in my book but its also clearly in breach of the website rules but it hasn't been moderated or checked. Why is that?
As I've said before , I enjoy much of the contribution on here and find the posts useful and amusing but there are times when I think something rather wrong is going on. I don't mind being personally criticised on here, I've got thick skin and I can give as good as I can get, but I do object to people i know who go about their jobs in a very professional, committed manner getting personal abuse on here from people who abuse the veil of anonymity.
llamedos
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@Guy Smith
This is a very serious allegation.
One I would be absolutely disgusted with were it true.
I have just been back through your posts from the 22 October.
I can categorically state not a one has been moderated/or changed.
As moderator, under each and every post on this site I am able to see what I have screen shot below.
Any post which had been altered or moderated in any way, would also show 'history' along side Edit Delete Ban Warn.
Everyone who post here is personally responsible for what they post, as per our Terms and Rules.
Edited to add screen shot of a post which has been edited ( in this instance by it author)
This is a very serious allegation.
One I would be absolutely disgusted with were it true.
I have just been back through your posts from the 22 October.
I can categorically state not a one has been moderated/or changed.
As moderator, under each and every post on this site I am able to see what I have screen shot below.
Any post which had been altered or moderated in any way, would also show 'history' along side Edit Delete Ban Warn.
Everyone who post here is personally responsible for what they post, as per our Terms and Rules.
Edited to add screen shot of a post which has been edited ( in this instance by it author)
Guy i'm rather bored TBH - spin and back tracking gets tiresome, I do not believe I have post anything that is factual and probable from you previous posts and input here and there are "contradictions / lies / inconsistanies call them what you like ! , if you truly expect anyone to believe the issue of OMOV has only ever ben mentioned too once you truly must believe your members were born yesterday. The deeper we all dig the more bent it all looks, I mean votes being counted by people with a vested interest ....................honestly you couldn't make it up !!!
However I must correct a couple of points there for accuracy -
As I have said on many occasions before I post as a member / farmer and not owner, moderators are at liberty to moderate my mods if they are out of order or brea site rules just as they would anyone else - I get no special treatment, I use this open, democratic platform to express my views just as ANYONE else is welcome to ........ ..............yes I know that is a rather bizarre concept for an NFU office holder to accept !!
Moderators ARE NOT paid - they are volunteers
As for something wrong going on ............thats what we have all been taking about on this thread so how about you stop trying to suggest I'm some kind of wannabe Chez Guvara style revolutionary and actually try answering some of the many questions in this thread ? justify the coincidence of ex NFU committee members falling into rather nice little quango jobs etc ?? justify OMOV sand NFU staff counting votes ? etc.....................
If you don't it won't be long before many others follow me (and others) in using the only vote we have available as regular members and stop paying their subs which will make you as irrelevant in UK ag as a horse and cart if your not careful !
Carole its just more rubbish - as you know its not the case and we can prove that if he wants to wheel us into a court room ever
Guy - you REALLY should stop digging, telling MORE lies doesn't distract from the ones you have already made
About a year ago Clive cut a section of one of my posts out and started another thread with it without my permission. About a month ago you changed one of my posts as I had mentioned GUTHs first name.
But this is not my complaint, its the personal abuse of others. I will PM you the details.
But this is not my complaint, its the personal abuse of others. I will PM you the details.
how someone who made such a mess whilst at FW (falling subs etc) was thought as the best for that job again is beyond me ?
maybe she had promised to not publish some inconvenient truths whilst in charge of the UK's biggest Ag mag ? It was a very odd appointment IMO - her CV is terrible and I saw no justification for someone like that getting a top job ?
exmoor dave
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@TINTIN
I can only find details of a AHDB meeting at Exeter on Dec 9th.
York the night before, then the next is Cheltenham on the 15th.
Is the south Molton one a NFU rather than AHDB?
that is not editing or changing, it is moving
What we did then was split a post out of a existing thread that had gone off topic to start a new thread
This is something moderators do to try and keep threads on topic. The action was explaining in RED text on that thread explaining your post had been moved to start a new thread, it WAS NOT edited or changed in any other way , it remains entirely your words
now quit with the silly spin and answer a few questions that others (NFU members) have asked you on this thread
do you (NFU staff) count your own votes ? - as simple yes / no will do
I am using this website in no way that isn't open to ANY one else to do (again)....................even though you do keep suggesting that the other 16k plus members must all in fact be me
what rules or laws even am I breaking ? maybe you should sue me for having an opinion, "NFU sues farmers for disagreeing" I can see the front pages now
why are you even bothered ................no one is REALLY reading this website you keep suggesting, certainly not real farmers etc ?
have we struck a nerve ? someone you can't control or silence at a committee meeting ? ouchhhh ! its not going to get any better for you guy unless the NFU stats answering members questions, introducing some democracy etc in 2016 !
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llamedos
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Everyone here has the right to post under a pseudonym. If they chose to divulge their name to another in private, it stays there. Private.
using members real names in public without there permission is also against site rules, as you say we maintain an individuals right to remain anon if they wish to and comply fully with the data protection act in this respect as well
Clive,
As said before I'm quite happy to discuss issues on here ocasionally but I can't be bothered with trying to correct wild conspiracy theories you dream up or your personal abuse.
Of course NFU staff count the votes. They are professional people. To suggest otherwise says more about you than it does them.
As said before I'm quite happy to discuss issues on here ocasionally but I can't be bothered with trying to correct wild conspiracy theories you dream up or your personal abuse.
Of course NFU staff count the votes. They are professional people. To suggest otherwise says more about you than it does them.
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