Flat oats

tinto

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Location

Lanarkshire

• Aug 30, 2019

• #1

Had a neighbour in tonight offering us 34 acres of very flat and green growing oats which won't be combined.
Any idea of a reasonable cost per acre as we could take them but not too fussed if we don't offer enough.
Thanks tinto

 

Beef farmer

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Livestock Farmer

Location

North cornish coast. It's always windy here

• Aug 30, 2019

• #2

£1 you harvest.
To be fair, thats still expensive dung

 

ollie989898

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Location

Hanging from a twig, in a deep sleep.

• Aug 30, 2019

• #3

Work out how much it cost him to grow them and at least cover that. Good wholecrop are oats.

May be useful to have him in your pocket for another day.

Farmers never know what to say to questions like: 'what do you want to pay?' So ask him straight how much they cost to grow. Perhaps he would like to grow you triticale wholecrop next year and you can cart the dung in...?

 

ridger

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Location

Tyrone, Northern Ireland

• Aug 30, 2019

• #4

Would be costing around 300 a acre

 

tinto

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Location

Lanarkshire

• Aug 30, 2019

• #5

We had thought of around the £100/acre mark

 

ollie989898

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Location

Hanging from a twig, in a deep sleep.

• Aug 30, 2019

• #6

tinto said:

We had thought of around the £100/acre mark

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Seed/fert/sprays would likely be that and more, assuming of course he actually did use them which is not always the case.

Forager will normally get them if the operator knows his onions.

Comes down to your relationship with your neighbour really. Its not a 3 tonne crop of £150/tonne oats though is it.

 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer

Location

Darlington

• Aug 30, 2019

• #7

tinto said:

We had thought of around the £100/acre mark

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They are very cheap to grow so that should comfortably their CO imo

 

ridger

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Location

Tyrone, Northern Ireland

• Aug 30, 2019

• #8

Ground £180 acre, plough and sow and roll and gather stones £50 an acre, seed £20 an acre, fertiliser £50 an acre, sprays £50 an acre ........

 

tinto

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Location

Lanarkshire

• Aug 30, 2019

• #9

Their flat as a skitter and uncombinable so only fit for whole crop but are a big crop so a lot of reasonable silage at hopefully the right trade.

 

tinto

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Location

Lanarkshire

• Aug 30, 2019

• #10

ridger said:

Ground £180 acre, plough and sow and roll and gather stones £50 an acre, seed £20 an acre, fertiliser £50 an acre, sprays £50 an acre ........

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But not a lot of options to recoup your costs if you can't combine them.

 

ridger

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Location

Tyrone, Northern Ireland

• Aug 30, 2019

• #11

tinto said:

But not a lot of options to recoup your costs if you can't combine them.

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That's the problem

 

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O'Reilly

Member

• Aug 30, 2019

• #12

Work out the cost per tonne of dry matter of the other feeds that you are likely to be using, adjusted for ME and protein, and work backwards, taking into account the harvesting costs. Pay what it is worth compared to other feeds, don't worry about what it cost him, he'll likely be glad to be rid of it, unless he has very good cultivation equipment.

 

David.

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Mixed Farmer

Location

J11 M40

• Aug 30, 2019

• #13

They are a dead loss to him at the moment, not your problem to cover all his costs and a profit. Anything he does now is going to be expensive hassle to him. I'd say £100-150ac bracket is generous enough.
Personally I have cut oats and sold them that others would have written off, cutting half width and a lot of patience, so you ought to get them up with a mower.
All assuming field not waterlogged.

 

Beef farmer

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Livestock Farmer

Location

North cornish coast. It's always windy here

• Aug 31, 2019

• #14

Have i missed somthing? The grain in the ear is growing.... so feed value of straw. Grain wheat is around the 120ton mark. Be more energy in 1 ton of dry wheat grain than 10 ton of wrecked oats?

 

buffalo_soldier

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Location

cumbria

• Aug 31, 2019

• #15

A cost per ton clamped would probably be fairest. No good offering an amount per acre if only a ton of two can be salvaged.
Bare in mind some of a fair chunk of feed value will have been used if it's sprouting.

There wil be an increased mycotoxin risk as well I think.

 

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DRC

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• Aug 31, 2019

• #16

Spot price for oats is only about £90/£100, and they are flat . I’d be worried about picking up stones as well.

 

Chae1

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Location

Aberdeenshire

• Aug 31, 2019

• #17

Completely off topic but the whole job is pretty fudged, between rock bottom finished cattle prices and cereals back to £100/t.

 

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som farmer

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Livestock Farmer

Location

somerset

• Aug 31, 2019

• #18

if you get on with your neighbour, sit down and talk it through, you don't want to shaft him, and he has to sort the problem out, on the other hand, if you don't get on......………..But there is always another day, and if you treat people fairly, they don't usually forget.

 

jimmer

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Location

East Devon

• Aug 31, 2019

• #19

In normal circumstances he would combine it at his cost, haul and store it at his cost, then sell it and get paid according to quality etc
Suggest he pays to put it on your pit, and you pay him according to quality

 

jimmer

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Location

East Devon

• Aug 31, 2019

• #20

In normal circumstances he would combine it at his cost, haul and store it at his cost, then sell it and get paid according to quality etc
Suggest he pays to put it on your pit, and you pay him according to quality