Never wanted to plough classic as only one match here has that sorry should have mentioned that do kv sell new 25s because a whole new match plough is an big investment for 4 maybe 5 Matches a year I f I went to the Scottish ploughing match. match ploughs all seem to be making good money does anyone know of other good match plough parts companys
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Timo@hattonfarms
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You really would be better buying a mach plough rather than a set of bodies, you will pay 1,500 2,000 for a set of boards and you wouldnt gain much putting them on a standard MZ ME frame
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What other tractors can you lay it hands on, anything vintage????
Not at all sure about that, unless KV have changed their ways. Years ago, you only got a basic plough wen you bought a "match " MZ based plough, and they were around £1900 then. To that price, you had to add the cost of weights, land wheel kit, solid landside, extended/ hyd cross shaft. Then you needed the coulter mountings and tail fins from accesory manufacturers in Ireland ( Name forgotten), add on a hyd top link, the machining costs of slotting the legs and making up a method of positioning them, a spool block and left hand hyd ram for the tractor, and your £2000 plough will be in the reagion of £4000 + before it even gets dirty!
Finaly, a new plough may need completly rebuilding before its any good, many of the MZ based things were almost unusable at first, being based on normal farm ploughs. A Used match plough, with a proven history is the only way to go in my opinion, and even better if its been used behind a similar tractor to the one you intend to use. Remember, with a mounted plough the tractor is, in effect part of the plough.
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: 672200, member: 4681"]Not at all sure about that, unless KV have changed their ways. Years ago, you only got a basic plough wen you bought a "match " MZ based plough, and they were around £1900 then. To that price, you had to add the cost of weights, land wheel kit, solid landside, extended/ hyd cross shaft. Then you needed the coulter mountings and tail fins from accesory manufacturers in Ireland ( Name forgotten), add on a hyd top link, the machining costs of slotting the legs and making up a method of positioning them, a spool block and left hand hyd ram for the tractor, and your £2000 plough will be in the reagion of £4000 + before it even gets dirty!
Finaly, a new plough may need completly rebuilding before its any good, many of the MZ based things were almost unusable at first, being based on normal farm ploughs. A Used match plough, with a proven history is the only way to go in my opinion, and even better if its been used behind a similar tractor to the one you intend to use. Remember, with a mounted plough the tractor is, in effect part of the plough.[/QUOTE]
Wright engineering Is the irish firm you are thinking about, recantly bought some disc winders from the a real nice bloke and a pleasure to do buisness with.
Robert Wright might know of some bodies match ploughing is big buisness in ireland
Wright engineering Is the irish firm you are thinking about, recantly bought some disc winders from the a real nice bloke and a pleasure to do buisness with.
Robert Wright might know of some bodies match ploughing is big buisness in ireland
[/QUOTEThats the man. Mind you, I made my own winders, Two from him would have cost more than the plough,but to be honest, there is an awfull lot of work involved in making them, and my plough would not have been out of place as a task in "Scrap heap challenge", as bits to make it came from all over Devon and Somerset!
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Spec for a competition plough is on the kverneland website if you want to check it. I know it doesn't have all the toys but plenty of people have bought an all singing all dancing match plough with a record of winning matches and then found that they couldn't handle it when they made the move up to ploughing world style. Better off with something more basic to start with
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I got both of mine for £400 I thought that was very reasnable as you say there Is plenty of work in themWright engineering Is the irish firm you are thinking about, recantly bought some disc winders from the a real nice bloke and a pleasure to do buisness with.
Robert Wright might know of some bodies match ploughing is big buisness in ireland
Thats the man. Mind you, I made my own winders, Two from him would have cost more than the plough,but to be honest, there is an awfull lot of work involved in making them, and my plough would not have been out of place as a task in "Scrap heap challenge", as bits to make it came from all over Devon and Somerset!
Match ploughs are very much a personalised piece of kit, its true. At one time I used a ts86 fitted with Fiskar KH bodies, it went very well indeed, making the plough off at Wittering.However, when I sold it, the (third party) purchaser could not handle it at all and I believe it is still sitting, unused in a barn in east anglia.
My view is that most people only have one pot of cash, so they need to get the best item they can for it. A plough purchased from a retired ploughman will have all the bugs removed, and the seller may well be willing to give the new owner help in getting used to it. If you buy a new plough, you start on your own, and will be far from competitive. The danger then is you dont know if its the plough, or how your using it which is the problem, so the temptation is to go and buy some " competition" parts, instead of finding out how to use what you have.Then dissapointment sets in and the plough ends up on the market.
A High Cut ploughman I know, cant leave his plough alone, and the result of that is everytime he takes the thing out, its really a different plough!
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have a few vintage tractor but not as intested in vintage or classic would rather plough modern not after anther plough as i have used this one since i was 6 years old just need new ken it inside out learnt to plough with it just modify it slightly to suit the job better
Indeed, but which point is that John? As an aside, I have to be honest, and even though its the class I compete in, I cant reccomend world style to anyone. Its certainly "Bank Balance" reliant, the gap betwenn the "chosen" and the rest seems to widen every year and rarely punished blatent cheating is now the norm.
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Wanted to quote last part of your post about chap modifying his plough before eveey match
There not much hope for youngsters in this game now when you look at the costs involved
Taking nothing away from you or anyone else buy im happy just doing the odd working day now..nobody wins..nobody loses and there nothing to argue about at the end of the day
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Without being cheeky, I don't know how good you are but I think the vintage or classic class would be better for you. Reason being that all the other folk in that class are trying to be the best of the rest as Andrew Mitchell jnr is streets ahead of the rest.
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A hobby is something you do for light relaxing and free time from the normal day to day run of things, and dont care where you end up at, or bothered on where you want to be
An obsession is where you cannot stop thinking about it, and you go all out to win, at whatever cost and second is not an option
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Precisely. .and as it gets a bigger obsession you throw more and more money at it..just to try and stay at the top of the pile
As has been kind of said..match ploughing isnt so much about the skill involved (although that still plays a huge part)
Its more about who can afford the fanciest rig and curry favour with predicable judging
Your quite right, working days are where the most enjoyment is to be found. The high cut man has another problem, he keeps running around asking other ploughmen what he should do, then acts on the answer he wants to hear!One day he will realise that ideas that others have may not work for him. each and every plough in that class being tailor made.
i am only strating out 16 being doing matches for 2 years compete with juniors and the 12" boys .There are 3 boys with purpose buildt match plough George Mackay Greame Mackay James tait they are usally the boys who win but they have years of knowlage so they are good no matter what and you dont get great over night. i am not looking to compete with andrew mitchell i would like to compete at local matches and leave a tidy plot . classic is and vintage require anther plough because the 2 ploughs are too heavy for a 135
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[QUOTE="Ley253, post: 672885, member: 4681" The high cut man has another problem, he keeps running around asking other ploughmen what he should do, [/QUOTE]
thats his big problem in a nutshell, he dont know what to do, and asking others that are ploughing against him, well they will give really good answers,
short story here, while working my way up I asked the better ploughmen what to do, oh they gave me answers, and when you know no better you act on them, but where they the right answers?
one ploughman a few years ago came to my plot and said "you got a dull and shinny furrow" I said how do i stop that, his answer was " took me 5 years to work it out, and if you think i am going to tell you in 5 mins, then your wrong" and walked off
now find some of the same come to ask me how i do it, my answer is well i just do as you told me years ago,
( took years to find out how to get it better myself, and i am an Elephant
thats his big problem in a nutshell, he dont know what to do, and asking others that are ploughing against him, well they will give really good answers,
short story here, while working my way up I asked the better ploughmen what to do, oh they gave me answers, and when you know no better you act on them, but where they the right answers?
one ploughman a few years ago came to my plot and said "you got a dull and shinny furrow" I said how do i stop that, his answer was " took me 5 years to work it out, and if you think i am going to tell you in 5 mins, then your wrong" and walked off
now find some of the same come to ask me how i do it, my answer is well i just do as you told me years ago,
( took years to find out how to get it better myself, and i am an Elephant