Trust me, the best I had from a tungsten set was 50 acres, tiles kept breaking off, the standard ones did about 25 acres a set in the autumn, I am comparing like for like drill costs, the new drill will owe me a fair sum. The cost of running the mzuri was nothing to do with the depreciation, it was metal and time that crippled it, Martin Lole designed a beautiful drill but the wearing metal was crap. Ask people why they keep selling them. We farm on chalk with a lot of Flint, but if your farm is less abrasive you might get better output. Personally I think the claydon is the best option if you want strip till. But looking back I don't see the need to move so much soil to plant grain crops. In theory it's perfect... But as with everything, it's notI cant believe that the leading tine can only last that long unless on abrasive sand and would your metal last any longer if on that soil? Contractors are charging around 22/23 for using a strip till but for a two pass system they would want £17 for just the drilling, comparing the cost of a new drill on different soils to a older or homemade one on easier/kinder soil is like comparing apples and pears. We all do it to justify what we do it. I am no better
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for the records, I have not moved farm to reduce my costs, I have changed drill, Dutch openers are made in Canada to direct drill into arid Boulder ridden soil, that is why they last, mzuri points are made from hardox in a factory in the Midlands, the factory has no onus on them to make the points last 4000 acres. Dutch have to try a little harder to keep business
nick channer
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I get 800-1000 acres out set claydon font tines on stoney land
around 200 acres out set a shares
so that's less than £3 acre in wearing metal!!
drill 80+ acres on 400 litres so another £3.50 acre for diesel
total from stubble to land drilled less than £7 acre
use to cost £8-10 acre In sumo wearing metal alone per acre
around 200 acres out set a shares
so that's less than £3 acre in wearing metal!!
drill 80+ acres on 400 litres so another £3.50 acre for diesel
total from stubble to land drilled less than £7 acre
use to cost £8-10 acre In sumo wearing metal alone per acre
Would be good to see pictures of your drill and the crops it produces, are you have a front tine or a disc or nothing apart from the seeding tine and what row spacing are you going at ?
average farmer
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we seem to have become a bit penny wise pound foolish, Has the Mzuri given any better yield? offered more drilling or diverse crop drilling opportunities?
For me the Claydon has cut down drilling opportunities and find everything has to be in its favor to work well. Trash, wet, uneven ground, slugs and weather after drilling all a big problem.... most of which are problems for a lot of drills. After 2 bad drilling seasons here, 2012 and 2013 I understand the land will need a bit of tlc and in a good year in the right fields you struggle to beat it.
I must say my drill is a 2004 V drill and think the claydons have moved on a lot since then
For me the Claydon has cut down drilling opportunities and find everything has to be in its favor to work well. Trash, wet, uneven ground, slugs and weather after drilling all a big problem.... most of which are problems for a lot of drills. After 2 bad drilling seasons here, 2012 and 2013 I understand the land will need a bit of tlc and in a good year in the right fields you struggle to beat it.
I must say my drill is a 2004 V drill and think the claydons have moved on a lot since then
nick channer
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Def
If I had to go back to my old v drill think we'd be sumo and tine drill again!!
Do u use a stubble rake??
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Gosh.. makes my Kuhn look cheap to run... £770 for set of front discs which do about 2000 acres and a set of rear discs cost £1320 and they do about 3000 acres a set ..about 82p/acre throw in another £1000 for a few bearings and covering harrow tines and we still at much more than a pound/acre...
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average farmer
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Yes rake and/or carrier, sometimes straight in, did a lot straight in in 2011 back end and crops looks brilliant up until June2012, ever since then we've been recovering. Hoping to use it more in the future and won't sell it, it could save us what its worth in fuel and time in one year used at the right time!
It will be all fitted up before Christmas, as soon as it is done I will post pictures. Also we will be offering either self drive hire or with driver... Keep your eyes peeled
The trouble is we all know how much its costing you to run now so will know how much to pay you
6" spacing on a four row frame, followed by a double heavy Harrow. No front disc, we are using a modified weaving tine with adjustable seed tube... It all comes back to cost of wearing metal and Edward weaving is no rip off merchant
Ha ha! So long as it's less than you can poke it in the ground for and yields go up then it's worth it? No hard to drag seed carts.... Goes where a vaddy stops...The trouble is we all know how much its costing you to run now so will know how much to pay you
nick channer
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that's cos most his kit made out micky mouse metal!!
show it a few stones and falls to bits!
Nick didn't you have a big disc?
Anyhow don't slate it til you've seen it... Even better tried it for yourself
nick channer
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def not mate uncle had a 6m caddy tine drill
didn't last a season.
I bought 6m rake.
was rendered useless after 400 acres and only way to get out it was to px it for a new 8m one which I was told would be lot stronger.
in fairness it was but still no use on our land!!
weavings response is u have too many stones!!
new yellow one arriving in spring
perfect example of getting what u pay for!!
they were cheap for a reason
nick channer
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not slating your drill just anything with the name weaving on it!!
what ever u do don't hire it to anyone with few stones in soil
Ha ha good sales pitch! I like the look of the sumo strake, dear though. Brother in law has a claydon rake, it's good but still shakes to bits a bit, poor thing is constantly shaking at 18kph, they moan it doesn't chit the barley tailings, good on black grass though
nick channer
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saw a strake on farm near thame few weeks ago
guy doesn't direct drill just bought it to get rid black grass
hes continuous spring barley now on 550 acres to get rid
looked well built
bit overkill perhaps??
We're nearly as flinty here as you, it's been built to my spec so if it can't take it that's my fault!