The car industry

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
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Devon
if the screen goes faulty where does one get it and who configure it to the car buttons cost more but more reliable
The touch screen in our old car stopped working. Luckily it was only for non essential stuff like cameras, entertainment and sat-nav.
The quote was about £2k to get it replaced.
There were ways of changing it for third party gear but would have been still quite expensive and wouldn't have looked right.
Put up with it for about 6 months and then it started working again.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
All just preference, may possibly be different if you're driving it all day every day but I far prefer the joy that is the manual gearbox, revving it out and throwing the gearstick, rev matching, etc. it's all a bit of fun.
I spent a year in Australia in my youth, and the towns there had a grid system, with lots of T junctions. An automatic was great for driving there.
 

Johnnyboxer

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Location
Yorkshire
Is it because I'm younger or because you're older though... No offence, but it's a good debate that.
I have a mix of manual & auto vehicles
Auto is great and modern ones can be driven like a manual too
Best of both without the hassle of cramp in your left leg in traffic
You’ll soon get to like them
Unless racing or rallying where a manual works better, there is no point in a manual for UK 🇬🇧 roads
 

BuskhillFarm

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Arable Farmer
Is it because I'm younger or because you're older though... No offence, but it's a good debate that.
Manual vs Auto I loved a manual for going for drives and driving too fast at night when I was younger, doing lots of miles town/country meeting cars and endless boring gear changes I love my auto.

A manual car for weekend and an auto for daily would be ideal, but a jack of all trades mid performance auto (with flappy paddles that I never use) does 95% of what I want really.
But most performance cars now are auto as the majority of people who can afford fast cars now would need a clutch and manual out of a challenger tank to stick them hence auto.
 

kiwi pom

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canterbury NZ
Elon doesn't know the first thing about manufacturing cars properly- their designs are a joke and suffered from appalling build quality.

Give it a few years and the other mainstream brands will have far better all-electric designs.

Tesla= typical American business thinking and all driven by marketing and consumer hype.
Elons forgotten more than you know about manufacturing cars. We get it you don’t like him but you’re talking boll*cks. It’s the likes of Ford and GM that are lagging behind which is ridiculous when you think how long they have been in the game.
His cars aren't perfect, few are, but Tesla have changed the game
 
Elons forgotten more than you know about manufacturing cars. We get it you don’t like him but you’re talking boll*cks. It’s the likes of Ford and GM that are lagging behind which is ridiculous when you think how long they have been in the game.
His cars aren't perfect, few are, but Tesla have changed the game

Ford and GM have been in the dip tank for a long time, one or even both of them might disappear totally from Europe in the near future, it wouldn't surprise me.

Have you ridden in a Tesla 3 by chance?
 
Elons forgotten more than you know about manufacturing cars. We get it you don’t like him but you’re talking boll*cks. It’s the likes of Ford and GM that are lagging behind which is ridiculous when you think how long they have been in the game.
His cars aren't perfect, few are, but Tesla have changed the game
Tesla have started building cars with no prior experience and a clean slate so are doing so in a way which they thing is the right way. All mainstream established manufacturers have been going long enough to have the job pretty well nailed as to the best way to build cars and make a profit. They will eventually have to change things if 100% leccy cars become the norm at which point tesla will most likely be put firmly in their place but there's no need for them to bother at present so the are just found the cheapest possible adaptions to keep selling cars imho.
 

kiwi pom

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canterbury NZ
Ford and GM have been in the dip tank for a long time, one or even both of them might disappear totally from Europe in the near future, it wouldn't surprise me.

Have you ridden in a Tesla 3 by chance?
I don't need to ride in one to know the model Y has been the bestselling car in the world at times this year. People are buying them, his closest rivals in the EV market are Chinese. Between them they are changing the car market, and the legacy brands are being left behind.
You claim Elon knows nothing about car manufacturing which is complete rubbish.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Tesla have started building cars with no prior experience and a clean slate so are doing so in a way which they thing is the right way. All mainstream established manufacturers have been going long enough to have the job pretty well nailed as to the best way to build cars and make a profit. They will eventually have to change things if 100% leccy cars become the norm at which point tesla will most likely be put firmly in their place but there's no need for them to bother at present so the are just found the cheapest possible adaptions to keep selling cars imho.
Tesla are building cars in a way that gives them a cost advantage over their competition. Listen to Elon on the subject for any length of time and he will talk about how the manufacturing part of the industry is the most important.
He's scaring the crap out of the legacy brands because he can keep dropping prices and make money, others are struggling to keep up.

What the future holds I have no idea, EV's might be a thing of the past in ten years but at the moment Elon is ahead by some distance.
 

daveydiesel1

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Livestock Farmer
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Co antrim
Am i right in saying you buy a tesla online and it gets delivered to a warehouse/service center with no private owned dealers involved? How does fixing them go as far as getting an inde mechanic to fix stuff? Is parts available for thr simlle things like brakes,suspension,steering etc etc or is it a case of you have to go to the tesla team for repairs?
 

Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
Tesla are building cars in a way that gives them a cost advantage over their competition. Listen to Elon on the subject for any length of time and he will talk about how the manufacturing part of the industry is the most important.
He's scaring the crap out of the legacy brands because he can keep dropping prices and make money, others are struggling to keep up.

What the future holds I have no idea, EV's might be a thing of the past in ten years but at the moment Elon is ahead by some distance.
And to add to that employs Americans at steel mills and manufacturing vertually all components in California, plus assembly there,
Nothing wrong with that 👍🏻
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Am i right in saying you buy a tesla online and it gets delivered to a warehouse/service center with no private owned dealers involved? How does fixing them go as far as getting an inde mechanic to fix stuff? Is parts available for thr simlle things like brakes,suspension,steering etc etc or is it a case of you have to go to the tesla team for repairs?
Like any new car now the manufacturer will be in charge of any maintenance or repairs while in warranty (less maintenance on an EV) after that right to repair and access to genuine and aftermarket repairs become more important.
The "indie" EV repair industry is still in its early days, it will no doubt improve if EV's continue to grow.
 
Tesla are building cars in a way that gives them a cost advantage over their competition. Listen to Elon on the subject for any length of time and he will talk about how the manufacturing part of the industry is the most important.
He's scaring the crap out of the legacy brands because he can keep dropping prices and make money, others are struggling to keep up.

What the future holds I have no idea, EV's might be a thing of the past in ten years but at the moment Elon is ahead by some distance.
It's not the way they build cars which give them an advantage, I bet if you knew the true figures established manufacturers are building cars for peanuts cost wise it's the rest of the chain which lets them down.
 

sjt01

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Mixed Farmer
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North Norfolk
Am i right in saying you buy a tesla online and it gets delivered to a warehouse/service center with no private owned dealers involved? How does fixing them go as far as getting an inde mechanic to fix stuff? Is parts available for thr simlle things like brakes,suspension,steering etc etc or is it a case of you have to go to the tesla team for repairs?
Tesla parts manual is available online. One of the first indie repairers was Cleeveley EV in Cheltenham, with mobile service all over the country. Gary Kyriakos and various others also do repairs, look for HEVRA garages.
 

kiwi pom

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canterbury NZ
It's not the way they build cars which give them an advantage, I bet if you knew the true figures established manufacturers are building cars for peanuts cost wise it's the rest of the chain which lets them down.
Yes, it is, the manufacturing process and its cost of getting cars to the consumer is vital. Cost of Production is as important in car manufacturing as it is in farming or anything else.
Tesla's single piece body casting and parts count is giving them an edge, the competition is playing catch up.
At the moment when it comes to EV's Tesla and then China are streets ahead of the rest. That may change in the future.
 

BuskhillFarm

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Arable Farmer
It's not the way they build cars which give them an advantage, I bet if you knew the true figures established manufacturers are building cars for peanuts cost wise it's the rest of the chain which lets them down.
I remember buying a Mk5 Golf was circa £16k and it was £5k to make. They were taking 2-3 times longer to make than a focus at the time so were a bit more expensive. Same golf would be twice that price retail now, not sure of what cost of production though
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
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Northumberlandia
I remember buying a Mk5 Golf was circa £16k and it was £5k to make. They were taking 2-3 times longer to make than a focus at the time so were a bit more expensive. Same golf would be twice that price retail now, not sure of what cost of production though
My Car at 9 months old wasnt much more than this Golf your on about but split new at the time was in the early 20's ok
similar one now is mid 30's but it does no more than this one does.
Infact i dont think you can get the same diesel in one now,anyhow doesnt matter
but what does its the amount of VAT thats increased on these £30-40k plus Cars which is all gone the minute you buy it
ok it might not be quite as bad on a PCP but they will hit your pocket somewhere.
 

Chips

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Location
Shropshire
How can it be legal not to use a phone but you are allowed to use a touch screen whilst driving ?
This is just baffling, My car has just gone into Land rover for warranty work and they have loaned me a new evoque that has done away with all physical buttons. It is absouletly awful and I can't believe this nonesense is legal. you have to take your eyes off the road for about 5 secs to adjust the temperature by one degree,first finding the right part of the screen to touch , the right part being very small and nothing to steady your arm on, then once sub menu is selected you have to press another tiny button which is very close to another tiny button that will max out temp, so very easy to press the wrong one thus taking your full concentration. The heated seats require the press of a similar button to change screen that will then have a seat option, press that and then another button to switch them on followed by another sub menu coming up to adjust temp, it's just horrible and undoubtebly lives will be lost in this economy drive. The other thing they have done is ruin what were very good steering wheel buttons by making it on very large button with numerous function by pressing different parts of it, because it is so big and odd shapped it is already jamming stuck on a brand new car and contantly selcting one option forcing you into numerous sup menu option on the touch screen to correct, imagine what it will be like with a few years under it's belt !
The good thing about though is I am going to make my wife drive it and then she will never nag me for a newer car again ! :D
But seriously this penny pinching should be made illegal
 
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killie_cowboy

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Livestock Farmer
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Scottish Borders
This is just baffling, My car has just gone into Land rover for warranty work and they have loaned me a new evoque that has done away with all physical buttons. It is absouletly awful and I can't believe this nonesense is legal. you have to take your eyes off the road for about 5 secs to adjust the temperature by one degree,first finding the right part of the screen to touch , the right part being very small and nothing to steady your arm on, then once sub menu is selected you have to press another tiny button which is very close to another tiny button that will max out temp, so very easy to press the wrong one thus taking your full concentration. The heated seats require the press of a similar button to change screen that will then have a seat option, press that and then another button to switch them on followed by another sub menu coming up to adjust temp, it's just horrible and undoubtebly lifes will be lost in this economy drive. The other thing they have done is ruin what were very good steering wheel buttons by making it on very large button with numerous function by pressing different parts of it, because it is so big and odd shapped it is already jamming stuck on a brand new car and contantly selcting one option forcing you into numerous sup menu option on the touch screen to correct, imagine what it will be like with a few years under it's belt !
The good thing about though is I am going to make my wife drive it and then she will never nag me for a newer car again ! :D
But seriously this penny pinching should be made illegal
I often wonder who actually wants this sort of thing. Cars got better and more durable until the 2000s/early 2010s now theyre on the way back down again.
 

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