Vaderstad Strip Till Drill

JNG · Apr 16, 2014

Had a demo yesterday. Drilling Spring Barley @170kg/ha into sprayed off thin cover crop of Oats (which was drilled in October at only 40kg/ha)
Placing 350kg/ha 6-6-17 (elemental figures). I hope the dying Oats wont hinder the barley, parts of field under water up to 2 weeks ago so did not get it killed off as early as planned.

200hp on 4 metre drill with front legs 4-5 inch deep. Managed OK but 7 mph was the limit.

Nice finish after the roller. Notice the bald area in this picture, was waterlogged most of winter hence the cover died but now the soil is much drier than the rest of field. Hopefully this might carry through if we get a dry spring from here on in.

BSH · Apr 16, 2014

Will be interested to hear how you get on with the oats not have been sprayed off long. Please post to let us know.

JNG · Apr 16, 2014

BSH said:
Will be interested to hear how you get on with the oats not have been sprayed off long. Please post to let us know.

Yea bit of a worry but they look thicker in the picture than they were, there is approx 21kgN/ha placed and another 35kgN/ha broadcast in front of drill so hopefully it will help get the barley away quick. If it was no-till I doubt id have drilled yet and let the Oats die a bit more but the bit off tilling should help reduce any alleopathetic effect? Hopefully!!!!!!!!

Clive · Apr 16, 2014

the oats would scare me in that situation, keep us posted good or bad please

martian · Apr 16, 2014

I think you'll be fine with those oats, they are not too thick at all, especially if it stays dry

SilliamWhale · Apr 16, 2014

BSH said:
Will be interested to hear how you get on with the oats not have been sprayed off long. Please post to let us know.

I reckon this year with the warmth it will be less of a issue than last.

marco · Apr 16, 2014

@JNG you'll just have to get a demo of the weaving big disk, then you'll have tryed them all i think.

JNG · Apr 23, 2014

Almost through after only 8 days, hopefully showing no ill effects but will know for sure in a few days.

Brisel · Apr 23, 2014

If only Vaderstad would make a version that you could swap the legs for system discs I'd have one straight away.

T Hectares · Apr 25, 2014

Brisel said:
If only Vaderstad would make a version that you could swap the legs for system discs I'd have one straight away.

I agree, the rapid lift looks a good concept but is massive and maybe might cause some structural issue long term :scratchhead:

but it does look effective.
The system disc on a rapid is easy enough to change over for a shallow strip till unit I think, it was something I had considered making with the help of an engineering friend.
I had been told that Germany was driving the strip till market and the spirit is the bigger seller for Vad there which is why the development has not been on the rapid.
I would love to dd rape and then swap back to discs to drill cereals, but don't want to go down the road of the monstrous rapid lift !!

Brisel · Apr 25, 2014

A colleague of mine in Hertfordshire bought a Rapidlift for his new RDA600. Very impressive establishment from the osr he did with it but it brought his Cat 765 to its knees at 6 inches deep on clay.

The Rapidlift comes with an integral drawbar to take the extra hp needed so there isn't much stress on the Rapid itself unless you tried turning with it in the ground. It does add nearly 2m to the length of the drill so headland turns need to be bigger. You don't have to remove the tine toolbar to drill without but you do have the extra turning circle.

The advantage over a Spirit with a tine toolbar on the front is that the system disc can work the lumps down before the coulters but you don't have the consolidation of the Spirit's middle tyre packer.

T Hectares · Apr 25, 2014

Funny, I have heard from a couple of sources that some rapidlifts have gone back for welding on the main drill frames due to the stresses the rapid lift puts on to the drill !
I don't know if I would want to lug about the extra weight of it when drilling cereals if it's not in use either, I can't remember off the top of my head. but the 6m one weighs a couple of tons maybe ?
The concept seems to be effective but it seems very cumbersome and heavy imo.

Fuzzy · Apr 25, 2014

What is the reason for using oats in this situation ? would winter barley not achieve the same result ?

Brisel · Apr 25, 2014

That's just asking for a green bridge for disease to infect the spring barley that the OP planted

Fuzzy · Apr 25, 2014

Brisel said:
That's just asking for a green bridge for disease to infect the spring barley that the OP planted

Ok, so barley and presumably wheat? would carry disease over but oats carry different diseases or 'strains' so that the spring barley is not affected ?

JNG · Apr 25, 2014

Fuzzy said:
What is the reason for using oats in this situation ? would winter barley not achieve the same result ?

The plan was for this field to be drilled with Beans but the field was waterlogged in places when I was drilling beans mid march so drilled a different field and changed cropping plans a bit. There was plenty of barley vols in the field last oct that would have made an acceptible cover but also lots of groundsil coming into flower which would have set seed and there is no reliable herbicide for groundsil in beans. Also killed a flush of Broome by qlyphosate in Autumn. Also have often used oats as a cover pre spring break crops as they are not affected by take all and it gives a longer take all break from cereals which will follow next sept.

JNG · Apr 25, 2014

Brisel said:
That's just asking for a green bridge for disease to infect the spring barley that the OP planted

Yes concerned about aphids will be getting a full dose ASAP post emergence.

JNG · Apr 25, 2014

JNG said:
Yes concerned about aphids will be getting a full dose ASAP post emergence.

Sorry @Brisel just re read your post you were talking about disease not aphids.

Brisel · Apr 25, 2014

Oats get BYDV as badly as barley.

JNG · Apr 25, 2014

Brisel said:
Oats get BYDV as badly as barley.

Oats because of take all, if it was to plan I would not have a cereal in the situation Oats or Barley and it would have be sprayed off alot earlier . Things rarely go to plan!

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