shakerator
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- LINCS
Yes but
1) Agents
2) Agronomists
3) Knowledge, or an appetite for it
4) Reputation in the district
Get rid of/ cast aside the above and your away
Ready to drill
- Thread starter Clive
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Yes but
1) Agents
2) Agronomists
3) Knowledge, or an appetite for it
4) Reputation in the district
Get rid of/ cast aside the above and your away
yes, away and lost 50% of the rental land within 2 years. No renewal, as you are not ploughing, doing properly farming.
Happened not only once :-(
York-Th.
Colin
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- Perthshire
Had this with my one and only contract farm customer. A year ago we discussed long term grass, for supplying an AD plant, diverse rotation, reducing intensity of cultivation and limiting root crop area. So what's happened? We no longer farm it and the guy who does is going to have more spuds and carrots on it than I would have felt comfortable with, c'est la vie!
Dan Powell
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- Location
- Shropshire
Fudge 'em. They'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes.
mikep
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- Arse end of Surrey, UK
Unfortunately this is the whole point (or pointless) thing about let ground at the moment, there is always an idiot somewhere who will pay silly money for land, not good bad or indifferent just space. They will convince themselves they can make it pay so why should a landlord worry it will not be vacant for long and besides fertility comes out of a bag doesent it?
which revolution?
no, as long as this "bread & games" mentality can be sustained there will be no revolution.
Over here in one state a 20+ years min Till program was cancelled due to the new EU directive. Min till was subsidised extra. Guess what happened? Increase in plough sales & usage in the region. and this Min till was very successful, no yield depression etc..
so even after 20 years of extra sub's the farmers didn't stay but went back to ploughing.
so, this is a revolution.
Yes we need the revolution: no EU Sub's any more. This will sort out a lot.
sorry for all the Phd's flowing of the Universities which then need to find a job, which is not a white colar office job with the government or consulting but maybe some work where they are getting some dirt daily under their finger nails.
York-Th.
SilliamWhale
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But to be honest no till is not for everyone. Obviously not for those with root crops but beyond that I think you have to tend to think a little differently about herbicide rotations as well as crop rotations as well as having the right gear and mindset. So although I think it can work pretty much anywhere, it won't.
warksfarmer
Member
Some valid points but no-till and cover crops is not the answer in my view.
The answer is quite simply 'good farming practises' which easily can include ploughing, power harrowing, maize, potatoes, sugar beet, straw removal etc - all the nasty words the no tillers hate.
The point is monitor the soils and crops and replace what is removed which is 'good farming practise'.
A landlord looks for that if they have any sense and once they have shortlisted the potentials to a 2 or 3 then they will look at the rents offered.
No tillers should be able to offer higher rents though due to the savings they make, so really a higher rent than a conventional farmer will sit them between that and the root crop / maize boys. The middle ground rent and the fact the soil is being tickled and talked to all the time should put them in a better position but ultimately they need to offer a higher rent to be looked at.
The answer is quite simply 'good farming practises' which easily can include ploughing, power harrowing, maize, potatoes, sugar beet, straw removal etc - all the nasty words the no tillers hate.
The point is monitor the soils and crops and replace what is removed which is 'good farming practise'.
A landlord looks for that if they have any sense and once they have shortlisted the potentials to a 2 or 3 then they will look at the rents offered.
No tillers should be able to offer higher rents though due to the savings they make, so really a higher rent than a conventional farmer will sit them between that and the root crop / maize boys. The middle ground rent and the fact the soil is being tickled and talked to all the time should put them in a better position but ultimately they need to offer a higher rent to be looked at.
But why should anyone who saves money on growing a crop or grows a better one just give it straight to the owner in higher rent?
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
They needn't. But the fact remains if they don't pay higher than someone else to get the land, the likelihood is that they won't get it. A lot of land rent tenders today are just a line of people all wanting to give away more of their hard earned cash than the others in the queue to be able to say they farm however many thousand acres.
How many people can honestly say that over the term of a 5 year FBT that they are significantly better off for having taken it?
Very few at this years prices I would imaging, work smarter not harder
I think far to many farmers (mostly those that don't win FBT tenders IME !) think its all about how much rent is paid, it really doesn't work like that, I'm not sure it ever has even, and I have taken on FBT's that I know I am not the highest bidder on, sometime by a reasonable margin. Anyone who owns land is wealthy enough to really not need to consider the last few £ on a deal as the priority
what Im saying here is zero-till further strengthens that with a USP over competition and I think that will be increasingly the case going forward
I can honestly say that every single FBT I have taken on has made me better off, but I don't pay daft rents !
what Im saying here is zero-till further strengthens that with a USP over competition and I think that will be increasingly the case going forward
I can honestly say that every single FBT I have taken on has made me better off, but I don't pay daft rents !
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
marco
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- Location
- tipperary, ireland
What's a USP?
warksfarmer
Member
Because it's the only way they will get the land. Agents arnt silly so if they realise profit margins are higher under no till they will want some of it if you want a look in!
It doesn't work like that lee - my experience is biggest bid doesn't airways get the land, agent and landowners have other considerations, money is just one of them
A lot of land around here never even goes on the open market, lots of selective tenders and private deals go on behind closed doors
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Got to be impressed with the way the 750 cuts through that sort of cover