Walterp
Member
- Location
- Pembrokeshire
Carmarthen WAAD suggest it is, and that's the way the forms read - it's being done in case the requirements alter in future years.
CAP Welsh Clarity
- Thread starter Penllyn estate farm
- Start date
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
That would be my view but we've had no letter regarding the EFA.
See more on this on the other thread in agri matters.
I was asking that specific question as it is likely that many on the glastir arable options will fall into the "75% grassland less than 30ha remaining arable exception" but there is confusion in the guidance as to whether those in that situation need to fill in the forms.
Penmoel
Member
http://wales.gov.uk/docs/drah/publi...cheme-your-guide-to-the-greening-rules-en.pdf
The table on page 3 of this would suggest you need to do the EFA thing for potential areas in the future
bottom of page 2 reads..
Which greening elements apply to me?
If you have 10ha or more of eligible arable land you are required to carry out crop diversification (see page 5 and onwards) – unless you qualify for an exemption (see page 3).
If you have more than 15ha of eligible arable land you are required to carry out both crop diversification (see page 5 and onwards) and EFA (see page 10 and onwards) – subject to the exemptions. However, if you have any arable land at all, you are required to register all your existing features that are classed as EFAs regardless of whether you require EFAs in order to meet the greening rules.
Organic land may automatically qualify for the greening payment (see page 5).
So even if you are organic, and therefore exempt from the greening rules as you don't need EFa to comply with the greening rules, you still need to register them
The table on page 3 of this would suggest you need to do the EFA thing for potential areas in the future
bottom of page 2 reads..
Which greening elements apply to me?
If you have 10ha or more of eligible arable land you are required to carry out crop diversification (see page 5 and onwards) – unless you qualify for an exemption (see page 3).
If you have more than 15ha of eligible arable land you are required to carry out both crop diversification (see page 5 and onwards) and EFA (see page 10 and onwards) – subject to the exemptions. However, if you have any arable land at all, you are required to register all your existing features that are classed as EFAs regardless of whether you require EFAs in order to meet the greening rules.
Organic land may automatically qualify for the greening payment (see page 5).
So even if you are organic, and therefore exempt from the greening rules as you don't need EFa to comply with the greening rules, you still need to register them
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
http://wales.gov.uk/docs/drah/publi...cheme-your-guide-to-the-greening-rules-en.pdf
The table on page 3 of this would suggest you need to do the EFA thing for potential areas in the future
bottom of page 2 reads..
Which greening elements apply to me?
If you have 10ha or more of eligible arable land you are required to carry out crop diversification (see page 5 and onwards) – unless you qualify for an exemption (see page 3).
If you have more than 15ha of eligible arable land you are required to carry out both crop diversification (see page 5 and onwards) and EFA (see page 10 and onwards) – subject to the exemptions. However, if you have any arable land at all, you are required to register all your existing features that are classed as EFAs regardless of whether you require EFAs in order to meet the greening rules.
Organic land may automatically qualify for the greening payment (see page 5).
So even if you are organic, and therefore exempt from the greening rules as you don't need EFa to comply with the greening rules, you still need to register them
I think it's just a case of logging the ones you have, or are likely to need to use, so that they can be logged ready on next years maps for us. I was told we could log more at a later date, such as when you pull more pp out to rotate through arable, roots, etc.
SilliamWhale
Member
Should I be able to find out my Glastir payment details on the RPW portal?
I thought it was being paid same time as SFP? Can't see anything about it on there.
I thought it was being paid same time as SFP? Can't see anything about it on there.
Penmoel
Member
Update on CaP reform came yesterday with more explanation on the grazed woodland especially, any parcel with more than 100 trees per ha makes the whole area ineligible.
Odd bit about summer grazing no longer being eligible ground either
Funniest is that natural ponds are now eligible areas
Odd bit about summer grazing no longer being eligible ground either
Funniest is that natural ponds are now eligible areas
There's a bit in there about groups of trees. The whole area covered by them needing to be removed from the eligible field area? Was thinking that by the time I measure all those areas up, it would be quicker to get the chainsaw out and limb the sides up. So a policy that is supposed to be about habitat and greening ends up with farmers problem solving with a chainsaw!
Only
Member
- Location
- Powys/Shropshire border
is all zz93 water or ponds all eligible now???
I think kmo maybe right sharpen chainsaws
Its all such a load of rubbish isn't it
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
There's a bit in there about groups of trees. The whole area covered by them needing to be removed from the eligible field area? Was thinking that by the time I measure all those areas up, it would be quicker to get the chainsaw out and limb the sides up. So a policy that is supposed to be about habitat and greening ends up with farmers problem solving with a chainsaw!
When does a number of trees in a field become a 'group' of trees though?
I have a couple of paddocks that have a number of mature trees, all allowed for currently, but many less than 100/ha. From the WAG satellite it would be a job to see any grass as they are mature trees with large canopies. I think I'll just leave it as is until they decide to inspect and change anything.I couldn't see the logic behind the natural pond thing, as they already have them mapped out & excluded. We've got 2 4ac lakes here, I'll have to see if I can get them added to the tenancy.
The summer grazing thing is going to cause some headaches. FBT will be the minimum requirement. We rent some ground for 11mths and claim SFP on it. The landlord won't have entitlements for it as he didn't claim on it this year (if I understand it correctly) What's the minimum length for FBT?Update on CaP reform came yesterday with more explanation on the grazed woodland especially, any parcel with more than 100 trees per ha makes the whole area ineligible.
Odd bit about summer grazing no longer being eligible ground either
Funniest is that natural ponds are now eligible areas
Penmoel
Member
Don't think there is a minimum, if so probably six months only, so quite possible to have an eleven month FBT.
IANTO
Member
The whole Land Classification areas are arbitrary to say the least.
The Maps appear to have been originally drawn following contour lines or Parish Road or other natural boundaries, with no consideration for soil type, or potential productivity.
A 60 degree slope below a Country Road is Disadvantaged while flat productive land with greater soil depth and potential is Severely Disadvantaged.
Wet Land on Clay is classified as Lowland.
Gors Fochno and Tregaron Bog are both probably classified as Lowland or Disadvantaged.
As CAP is not designed to be a subsidy for food production, how do you derive a fair system?
Population density should probably play a part, as it is manifestly unfair for someone with thousands of acres of Scree, Sheer Cliffs, Bog, Scrub and Moorland to sit back and do nothing.
There are also areas classed as lowland which are basically barren.
Some of my best land I am told is SDA, and some of the least productive Lowland.
How do you devise a fair system?
IANTO
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Penmoel
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion, wales
Penmoel
Member
“The anticipated payment rate for land in the moorland region was seen by some as contentious but there were good reasons for setting that rate, based on the productivity of the land in question.
“However, the legal challenge brought against the Welsh Government on the moorland region has shown that, as certain land below 400 metres will have the character of moorland, but will nevertheless not fall within the definition laid down by the regulations, it is not possible to have a moorland payment region at this time.
Rebecca Evans.
if SFP or the new scheme had nothing to do with production where is the justification in that statement??
A lower payment rate for land that does not or has not had any agricultural improvement, or activity on it??
@GTB I still blame you
Nice signature by the way
“However, the legal challenge brought against the Welsh Government on the moorland region has shown that, as certain land below 400 metres will have the character of moorland, but will nevertheless not fall within the definition laid down by the regulations, it is not possible to have a moorland payment region at this time.
Rebecca Evans.
if SFP or the new scheme had nothing to do with production where is the justification in that statement??
A lower payment rate for land that does not or has not had any agricultural improvement, or activity on it??
@GTB I still blame you
Nice signature by the way