Grain storage

renewablejohn · Oct 19, 2014

Kidds said:
Really? The ones I use hold 1000litres, there isn't room for another 200 litres.

Standard IBC is 1mtr x 1.2 mtr x 1.14 mtr giving a gross volume in excess of 1.2 m3. For liquid transportation that volume is reduced by incorporating a lid and valve mechanism within the overall volume of the IBC frame as well as rounded corners.

Lincsman · Oct 19, 2014

renewablejohn said:
Standard IBC is 1mtr x 1.2 mtr x 1.14 mtr giving a gross volume in excess of 1.2 m3. For liquid transportation that volume is reduced by incorporating a lid and valve mechanism within the overall volume of the IBC frame as well as rounded corners.

So how will it get bigger for grain once you chop the top off and allow a margin for not spilling?

renewablejohn · Oct 20, 2014

Lincsman said:
So how will it get bigger for grain once you chop the top off and allow a margin for not spilling?

Just use a vented bag instead of the plastic bottle. You can buy the cages far cheaper without the bottles. The bags are similar to fertilizer bags but allows the corn to breathe like the old hessian sacks that where used for natural drying.

renewablejohn · Oct 20, 2014

Seems like some people are making a lot of money storing grain in IBC containers

http://bulkfoodinternational.com/bfi-shop/

Lincsman · Oct 20, 2014

renewablejohn said:
Just use a vented bag instead of the plastic bottle. You can buy the cages far cheaper without the bottles. The bags are similar to fertilizer bags but allows the corn to breathe like the old hessian sacks that where used for natural drying.

Trust me, this is a non starter.

Steevo · Oct 20, 2014

renewablejohn said:
Seems like some people are making a lot of money storing grain in IBC containers

http://bulkfoodinternational.com/bfi-shop/

My favourite bit is:

"The “Spot” commodity price is not a good pricing method to use as a measuring stick for bulk grain or other food that will be used for human consumption. In general, the foremost national authority for ongoing grain prices is the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, however many other factors affect pricing, as explained below.

Spot price is the approximate price paid to a farmer for his bulk grain and other foods coming straight from the field. At that point the grain can be considered nothing more than animal feed. It has not been inspected, graded, cleaned, packaged, or analyzed for nutrient value, moisture content, or any other factors. Each one of these steps requires shipping freight charges and other additional costs, which add to the final price."

i.e. this is not just any grain, this is M&S grain! (and we want 5x the price please!)

Robigus · Oct 20, 2014

Poncherello1976 said:
What I want to store is cut dry and will go straight from the field in to a heap. I will need some fans to cool down the heap. Not sure I want a seperate fan for 500 boxes! Will only need storage for about 200 T anyway, so will have room for storage. Wanting room for 500T for future proofing.

A 60x40 shed looses a lot of storage due to the door, and is too narrow to split. (Yes I'm sure a lot of people are using sheds that are 40 ft wide and have a divider, but would you build it like that now?)
If you must split it go at least 60 ft wide and have two doors for straight access.
Longer is more efficient as you have a lower percentage compromised by the door.
To future proof it have the eaves much higher than you can possibly think you will ever want them

Robigus · Oct 20, 2014

renewablejohn said:
Where not on about harvesting rate as it will probably be going straight into a dryer the output from the dryer could easily be into IBC containers which hold approx 1 tonne of wheat not half a tonne. Back to the thread 500T if stored in IBC containers 4 high would only require 125 m2 of storage leaving 125m2 available in the 60 x 40 shed for other equipment.

You've obviously hit on an untapped market here. Why not build a 10,000t IBC store and make your fortune.

renewablejohn · Oct 20, 2014

Robigus said:
A 60x40 shed looses a lot of storage due to the door, and is too narrow to split. (Yes I'm sure a lot of people are using sheds that are 40 ft wide and have a divider, but would you build it like that now?)
If you must split it go at least 60 ft wide and have two doors for straight access.
Longer is more efficient as you have a lower percentage compromised by the door.
To future proof it have the eaves much higher than you can possibly think you will ever want them

We followed this logic with our new woodchip/log store being 25 mtr x 15 mtr and 4.5 mtr to eaves allowing us to store 1500 IBC containers

renewablejohn · Oct 20, 2014

Robigus said:
You've obviously hit on an untapped market here. Why not build a 10,000t IBC store and make your fortune.

Cannot see a lot of demand for a grain drying service in Lancashire but I could offer the service using our woodchip dryer.

David. · Oct 20, 2014

I want to know where the market is for mouse p iss contaminated wheat that will surely result from storing it in IBC cages lined with anything like breathable fabric. There will be thousands of them in there.

renewablejohn · Oct 21, 2014

David. said:
I want to know where the market is for mouse p iss contaminated wheat that will surely result from storing it in IBC cages lined with anything like breathable fabric. There will be thousands of them in there.

Totally secure

David. said:
I want to know where the market is for mouse p iss contaminated wheat that will surely result from storing it in IBC cages lined with anything like breathable fabric. There will be thousands of them in there.

If its a concern then use metal fly screen instead of fabric.

carbonfibre farmer · Oct 21, 2014

Anyhow this ibc stuff is interesting an all but is there any figures that are generally used for pricing when looking at grain sheds?

Ie £80/t shed brought but DIY everything else.
£120/t all in, turn key?

Don't know how accurate those figs are? (i know,ball and string -ie level site,power supply,drainage etc etc can increase/decrease price)

David. · Oct 21, 2014

renewablejohn said:
Totally secure

Good luck with that.

Barleymow · Oct 21, 2014

you wont need a shed to store the ibc's in just put the lids on , could have row of then along the headland and empty the combine directly into them. Will do away with the need for grain trailers too could move full ibc's back to the yard at your leisure after harvesting is done simples wish i though of it years ago

rob1 · Oct 21, 2014

Barleymow said:
you wont need a shed to store the ibc's in just put the lids on , could have row of then along the headland and empty the combine directly into them. Will do away with the need for grain trailers too could move full ibc's back to the yard at your leisure after harvesting is done simples wish i though of it years ago

would make more sense to use hook loader bins with perhaps a pedestal to dry the corn say 18/ 20 tons a time, roll over sheet job done

Poncherello1976 · Oct 21, 2014

Thanks everyone. My original 60*40 was just a guess, but I imagine I will have to do 60*60 or 70/5. At least this will give us plenty of room. So at £10 sqft am looking at around £45000ish plus floor? Obviously I want plenty of height to tip the trailers so how high does it need to be? 18ft to eaves?
I think I will pass on the IBC containers. Dragons Den might be interested though!

JNP · Oct 21, 2014

For the height I would go at least 20ft at eaves, maybe 22ft. Future proof yourself.

Andrew K · Oct 21, 2014

Go as large as you can afford, my last one was 17,000 sq ft, should have gone bigger!

Steevo · Oct 22, 2014

But also be aware that anything above 80 x 60 would be above prior notification levels and thus much more expensive and more hassle.

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