TelesnaAg
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Wheat, disease issue, lack of head fill AUS
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TelesnaAg
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Theses roots heads are blank but straw is nice and golden...all roots look the same...stems on right side peeled back for inspection..black and crappy looking but no different to where grain is filling?
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TelesnaAg
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In this pic you can see green stems, heads are filling, this is on the crappest dirt I own...in the LH corner of pic you can see stems which are dead, those heads are blank...lots of leaf disease as well...this spot is low and sits in water for months, I am surprised its growing at all?
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Any body.....help....
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It's not easy to see one major factor that has caused the problem. Your rainfall levels are unusually high for Australia so I doubt many dryland growers have the same disease problems as you.
Disease & soil pH are the serious problems that you have. Second cereals don't do well over here. Eyespot, Fusarium footrot/ear blight & Take All are the main issues. I would advise that you consider a fungicide programme that starts at early stem extension for eyespot the protects the yield building leaves 1, 2 & 3. How far from the coast are you?
Your last pictures of the double sown crop by the fence - the good bit looks as though it is higher than the bad bit. Is that the case? Have a dig with a spade in both parts then let us know what you think the differences in soil type & health are please.
I'm currently trying to track down a mate I went travelling around Oz with, Donald McMurrich. He is an agronomist with Ag Central Grain Systems & is researching irrigated cereals as break crops for cotton growers using higher levels of inputs to make the most of the sun & unlimited water. He would be able to give some tips on a suitable disease management programme. Unfortunately Google runs out of news articles for him after 2007.
Disease & soil pH are the serious problems that you have. Second cereals don't do well over here. Eyespot, Fusarium footrot/ear blight & Take All are the main issues. I would advise that you consider a fungicide programme that starts at early stem extension for eyespot the protects the yield building leaves 1, 2 & 3. How far from the coast are you?
Your last pictures of the double sown crop by the fence - the good bit looks as though it is higher than the bad bit. Is that the case? Have a dig with a spade in both parts then let us know what you think the differences in soil type & health are please.
I'm currently trying to track down a mate I went travelling around Oz with, Donald McMurrich. He is an agronomist with Ag Central Grain Systems & is researching irrigated cereals as break crops for cotton growers using higher levels of inputs to make the most of the sun & unlimited water. He would be able to give some tips on a suitable disease management programme. Unfortunately Google runs out of news articles for him after 2007.
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Brisel, thanks for your response, I will post tomorrow what an expert agronomist from here recommended...the bit by the fence is lower where the it went down but so is the opposite end of the stuff standing...probably worst..soil is similar the whole way through except for the ridge."
For next year I now seriously have to consider sowing beans n my new lease block as well, as it will help break the disease from the grass cycle....I will see what my trial yields to see if it's feasabile.....I can grow wheat but it's going to take a tonne of spray...I would need 1.5 tonne beans to the acre to make it worth it....not what I was planning as i prefer to have a mix of crops...beans will go in next year where the wheat is now...
I won't try second wheat again...probably beans or spring barley and Lucerne...
As much as all this is and as much money as I have spent it is interesting and looking promising....
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For next year I now seriously have to consider sowing beans n my new lease block as well, as it will help break the disease from the grass cycle....I will see what my trial yields to see if it's feasabile.....I can grow wheat but it's going to take a tonne of spray...I would need 1.5 tonne beans to the acre to make it worth it....not what I was planning as i prefer to have a mix of crops...beans will go in next year where the wheat is now...
I won't try second wheat again...probably beans or spring barley and Lucerne...
As much as all this is and as much money as I have spent it is interesting and looking promising....
Ant....
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Do you not have access to any government advisers - extensification advisers? Plant Pathologist at a research station would be your most useful route.
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I don't have access to government advisors..but I am taking a heap of plants to my agronomist on 8th dec to dissect and send of to lab for analysis...so far the conclusion is root disease is biggest factor....maybe slight leaf...
Although it's terrible seeing the crop,look like a mess, it is best to learn all this now and have sound strategies when only have 140 acres in...so first two years weather wise have been very harsh and abnormal, but it has accelerated the learning process etc...
So I am looking forward to 2015...although one dilemma is as mentioned the lease block probably needs beans first up....I start trialling OSR and monola next year so won't be ready for that until 2017 as I like to trial for two years before sowing large area...I have the soil, I have the rain, I have the climate....I have the light....just need the strategies and knowledge to pull it all together...I will get there!! Might give you uk guys a run for your money one day LOL...
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Although it's terrible seeing the crop,look like a mess, it is best to learn all this now and have sound strategies when only have 140 acres in...so first two years weather wise have been very harsh and abnormal, but it has accelerated the learning process etc...
So I am looking forward to 2015...although one dilemma is as mentioned the lease block probably needs beans first up....I start trialling OSR and monola next year so won't be ready for that until 2017 as I like to trial for two years before sowing large area...I have the soil, I have the rain, I have the climate....I have the light....just need the strategies and knowledge to pull it all together...I will get there!! Might give you uk guys a run for your money one day LOL...
Ant...
DONALD!!!
Last heard of @ 'Felton Produce', Queensland. Heres his phone number: 0427958209
If you find him, tell him his old flat mate (his 3rd year @ SAC) says hello
Oh the stories I could tell you! (but I can't, cos he'd dish it back).glasshouse
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What are you paying to buy that land?
oats is the best bet at that ph.
DONALD!!!
Last heard of @ 'Felton Produce', Queensland. Heres his phone number: 0427958209
If you find him, tell him his old flat mate (his 3rd year @ SAC) says hello
I have a few tales to tell too! He's a colourful character. I met him whilst working on a big cotton & dryland proerty near Moree in 2001. We went travelling togther after the cotton harvest & I went back to see him a couple of times after that when he was working for Cotton Grower Services at Gunnedah. He was teaching the cotton cockys to grow 10 t/ha of wheat as a break crop for cotton on irrigated land as wheat only needed 10 megalitres of water/ha as opposed to cotton at 25+ megalitres/ha.
Thanks for his number. I had lost touch with him after he left CGS when he got his residency.
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I paid $4,000 AUS for my block but its close to town and coast and on highway - etc... so that's $2,176 pound. Foot deep volcanic loam soil...
My lease block is $100 acre AUS...per year...same deal 7 km from my block..highway frontage...great fencing and yards for cattle in the future..3 year lease with option of 3...thats 54 pound per acre per year..38-40" rainfall country.
And i am 17 km from Portland Port so can get port pricing if delivered or sell to dairy trade , feed mills etc...
I live in town next to coast...so its not all bad!!
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Pics of my bean trial...this was sown by hand as they wouldn't go through seeder (bought another one since)...i sowed in a heap of MAP...ploughed in seed with seeder...sprayed simazine with hand wand!! rolled them..drank a beer..all good..
Sown 1st June...will harvest end of dec... $445 AUS per tonne or $242 pounds.
haven't sprayed for disease - didnt get any...no slugs snails...all it got was me walking through it!!! so cheap to grow...
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Sown 1st June...will harvest end of dec... $445 AUS per tonne or $242 pounds.
haven't sprayed for disease - didnt get any...no slugs snails...all it got was me walking through it!!! so cheap to grow...
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more bean trial pics..
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So would it be fair to say that there are quite a few days each year that the leaves get wet, being that close to the coast? If so, the disease pressure is going to be pretty high.
I spent some time at Port Campbell. Lovely area