Lamb is White Tailed eagles 2nd most favourite food

Humble Village Farmer

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You have misread my post. My question was not "whether we should manage/control the number of predators" but what qualifies a predator for protection (like the badger) or not (like the fox), which is an entirely different matter. The distinction is illogical and I was hoping someone could answer my question. The question is a legal one.
Agree, foxes aren't protected but badgers are, even though they arguably do more economic and environmental damage. Maybe it's because badgers were nearly wiped out but foxes never were. Too clever for their own good.

It's an injustice to expect farmers to tolerate predators without compensation. Sheep farming must increase the breeding rate of white tailed eagles. Will they just keep multiplying until the farmers give up in the face of poor economics or will something change?
 

Macsky

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Agree, foxes aren't protected but badgers are, even though they arguably do more economic and environmental damage. Maybe it's because badgers were nearly wiped out but foxes never were. Too clever for their own good.

It's an injustice to expect farmers to tolerate predators without compensation.1. Sheep farming must increase the breeding rate of white tailed eagles. 2. Will they just keep multiplying until the farmers give up in the face of poor economics or will something change?
1. Sheep farming is most likely the main reason that the reintroduction was more successful than those who reintroduced the bird ever dreamed (cos they only eat fish, right?)
2. It’s already happening/happened, neighbour of mine lost 4 EWES in a FORTNIGHT
 

Macsky

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Poor man….
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Dry Rot

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Agree, foxes aren't protected but badgers are, even though they arguably do more economic and environmental damage. Maybe it's because badgers were nearly wiped out but foxes never were. Too clever for their own good.

It's an injustice to expect farmers to tolerate predators without compensation. Sheep farming must increase the breeding rate of white tailed eagles. Will they just keep multiplying until the farmers give up in the face of poor economics or will something change?
Foxes were indeed almost wiped out, at least in the Scottish Highlands. About 30 years ago I was shown a 25 year old newspaper cutting which contained a report that Mr XYZ had shot a fox! That hasn't been anything like a news story recently!:ROFLMAO:
 

Henarar

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Fecking things.
this may sound silly but is there anything you could put on the lambs to deter the feathered vermin ?
After losing lambs to stripey vermin we were advised by someone on TFF to put Stockholm tar on the lambs which we have done ever since and [touch wood] not lost one since.
maybe that birds wouldn't take any notice of anything like that though. 🙁
 

Macsky

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Fecking things.
this may sound silly but is there anything you could put on the lambs to deter the feathered vermin ?
After losing lambs to stripey vermin we were advised by someone on TFF to put Stockholm tar on the lambs which we have done ever since and [touch wood] not lost one since.
maybe that birds wouldn't take any notice of anything like that though. 🙁
The way they attack I don’t think they’ve got time to notice.
 

Macsky

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Foxes were indeed almost wiped out, at least in the Scottish Highlands. About 30 years ago I was shown a 25 year old newspaper cutting which contained a report that Mr XYZ had shot a fox! That hasn't been anything like a news story recently!:ROFLMAO:
I was told that in Skye it was one den in the Cuillin that evaded the near wipeout, and that the island was repopulated from that litter.
 

Dry Rot

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Fecking things.
this may sound silly but is there anything you could put on the lambs to deter the feathered vermin ?
After losing lambs to stripey vermin we were advised by someone on TFF to put Stockholm tar on the lambs which we have done ever since and [touch wood] not lost one since.
maybe that birds wouldn't take any notice of anything like that though. 🙁
I have put a couple of 16th century books on falconry into modern English. Back then, there were wide tracks of countryside in England open to falconry, but also occasional small farms and cottages where the occupants kept poultry. It was a big problem when a hawk took to hunting hens instead of partridges. The author advocated waiting until their hawk had killed a hen, letting it break in to the meat, and then sneaking up to sprinkling pepper on the flesh.

It does work as I kept my goshawks on a tether system and also kept free range poultry which would occasionally wander within range of the hawks. (They used pepper back then because it's all they had!). Something revolting rubbed into the lambs's wool might also work -- but don't ask me what or how you'd do it!

Wildlife rangers in Canada distributed pieces of sheep meat dosed with Lithium Chloride (the antabuse drug used to sicken alcoholics off drink!) out of helicopters in an effort to stop coyotes predating sheep. That actually worked....until the coyotes realised they could circumvent the drugged bait by killing a nice fresh live sheep. That's when they started killing in earnest, and gave up on scavenging sheep, as they had done previously, that had died from some other cause!

The unexpected consequences of do-gooders meddling in country affairs that should be left to country people.

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som farmer

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Agree, foxes aren't protected but badgers are, even though they arguably do more economic and environmental damage. Maybe it's because badgers were nearly wiped out but foxes never were. Too clever for their own good.

It's an injustice to expect farmers to tolerate predators without compensation. Sheep farming must increase the breeding rate of white tailed eagles. Will they just keep multiplying until the farmers give up in the face of poor economics or will something change?
the badger lovers used the fact that badgers numbers had seriously reduced, and were now an endangered species. To prove their point, they included the whole area of the UK, places like the scottish highlands, and islands, where badgers have never been.

on the sea eagle v lambs, if they don't look for lamb remains, then they don't have to include them, in their data. While that sounds absolutely stupid, just think of the lengths some of these zealots will go, to justify their 'truth'.

just as they claim beavers have swum from Europe, to the UK, certainly not released into the countryside, but kept in 'secure' areas. Well, believe that, if you like, but l think illegal releasing is highly likely.

and l wouldn't be surprised if 'wild' lynx, were suddenly found, having either remained undetected for several centuries, or swum the channel .................................. But like beavers, they deserve to stay, part of our 'natural' fauna. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
the badger lovers used the fact that badgers numbers had seriously reduced, and were now an endangered species. To prove their point, they included the whole area of the UK, places like the scottish highlands, and islands, where badgers have never been.

on the sea eagle v lambs, if they don't look for lamb remains, then they don't have to include them, in their data. While that sounds absolutely stupid, just think of the lengths some of these zealots will go, to justify their 'truth'.

just as they claim beavers have swum from Europe, to the UK, certainly not released into the countryside, but kept in 'secure' areas. Well, believe that, if you like, but l think illegal releasing is highly likely.

and l wouldn't be surprised if 'wild' lynx, were suddenly found, having either remained undetected for several centuries, or swum the channel .................................. But like beavers, they deserve to stay, part of our 'natural' fauna. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Yes, they are banging the drum for a Lynx release in Northumberland again, having been told where to shove it last time 😖
 

som farmer

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Yes, they are banging the drum for a Lynx release in Northumberland again, having been told where to shove it last time 😖
been part of a hunting party, trying to 'shoot' a wild 'animal', that had been killing sheep, in Devon.
thankfully, didn't see anything.

some with guns, were rather 'excitable'. Something l will decline to do again.
 

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