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<blockquote data-quote="Interested in farming" data-source="post: 9236176" data-attributes="member: 179111"><p>For every 'smoking gun' there is a rebuttal. You guys are arguing with each other and getting nowhere. Personally I wouldn't trust the Florida Surgeon General to clean my windows but others rate him.</p><p></p><p>I've had cancer and I'll happily keep taking the vaccine. </p><p></p><p>COVID-19 VACCINES AND CANCER: WHAT WE KNOW</p><p>Reuters has previously debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer (<a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-cancer/fact-check-no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer-idUSL1N2S322C" target="_blank">here</a>), or weaken the immune system (<a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-britain/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-weaken-peoples-immune-systems-like-chemotherapy-idUSL1N2SY1SP" target="_blank">here</a>).</p><p>Experts at Meedan’s Health Desk explained in Oct. 2021 (<a href="https://health-desk.org/articles/there-is-no-evidence-linking-covid-19-vaccines-with-cancer" target="_blank">here</a>) that experts found no evidence linking the vaccines to cancer or HIV.</p><p>No evidence was supplied to allow Reuters Fact Check to assess the veracity of the claim.</p><p>The American Cancer Society explains (<a href="https://www.cancer.org/content/dam/cancer-org/research/cancer-facts-and-statistics/annual-cancer-facts-and-figures/2021/special-section-covid19-and-cancer-2021.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>) that the COVID-19 pandemic is expected to cause increased cancer mortality over long term due to “delayed diagnoses; interruptions or alterations in potentially curative treatment; the possibility that some adults will abandon prior patterns of preventive care; and the expectation that millions of adults will remain unemployed and without health insurance.”</p><p>The disruption in regular cancer screenings and care during the COVID-19 pandemic is also discussed in medical journals (<a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7599065/" target="_blank">here</a>), (<a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30391-0/fulltext" target="_blank">here</a>), (<a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1470204520303880" target="_blank">here</a>).</p><p>One study (<a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1470204520303880" target="_blank">here</a>) showed the number of endoscopies performed in April 2020, near the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, was 90% less than the number performed in the first three months of 2020. The study highlighted that between 30 and 40 percent of patients diagnosed with cancer were done through routine outpatient referral pathways.</p><p>Dr. Gigi Gronvall, immunology expert and senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (<a href="https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-people/gronvall/" target="_blank">here</a>), told Reuters via email that T cells do not work as described by Cole.</p><p>“If— and it’s a big if— he is seeing genuinely more cancer patients in a way that is statistically verifiable now, it is likely due to people putting off cancer and other medical screening during the last couple years,” Gronvall said.</p><p>Dr. Andrew Badley, an infectious disease expert and head of Mayo Clinic’s COVID-19 Task Force, also told Reuters via email the COVID-19 pandemic has caused people to delay non-urgent healthcare tasks, which results in diseases that potentially would have been caught at early stages now presenting at more advanced stages with more challenges.</p><p>“Also, now that patients are re-engaging with the health care system, some are being diagnosed with illnesses that in many cases were not caught early,” Badley said. “Many of these are cancer diagnoses, as well as other severe diagnoses including neurologic disorders, cardiac disease and others.”</p><p>“There are no controlled studies which link these diagnoses to SARS-CoV2 infections, treatment of COVID-19 or to COVID-19 vaccines, and there is no reason to believe that these diagnoses are in any way associated with COVID-19 or with COVID-19 vaccines,” Badley added.</p><p>Gronvall concurred, saying “The vaccines have been examined in millions upon millions of people at this point and there is zero evidence that there is any link to any kind of cancer.”</p><p>Fact checkers USA Today (<a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/27/fact-check-false-claim-cancer-rise-since-vaccine-rollout/8348140002/" target="_blank">here</a>), Health Feedback (<a href="https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-scientific-evidence-for-claim-by-pathologist-ryan-cole-that-covid-19-vaccines-weaken-the-immune-system/" target="_blank">here</a>), FactCheck.org (<a href="https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/" target="_blank">here</a>) and the Associated Press (<a href="https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-228836931193" target="_blank">here</a>) have debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to increased cases of cancer.</p><p>Harvard Health explored a study in November (<a href="https://hms.harvard.edu/news/sars-cov-2-vaccines-cancer" target="_blank">here</a>) that found protective benefits of COVID-19 vaccines for cancer patients, as did a December Stanford study (<a href="https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/12/covid-19-vaccines-cancer-patients.html" target="_blank">here</a>).</p><p>VERDICT</p><p>Misleading/No evidence. There is no evidence to suggest a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and increased cases of cancer.</p><p>This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work <a href="https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/about" target="_blank">here</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Interested in farming, post: 9236176, member: 179111"] For every 'smoking gun' there is a rebuttal. You guys are arguing with each other and getting nowhere. Personally I wouldn't trust the Florida Surgeon General to clean my windows but others rate him. I've had cancer and I'll happily keep taking the vaccine. COVID-19 VACCINES AND CANCER: WHAT WE KNOW Reuters has previously debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer ([URL='https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-cancer/fact-check-no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer-idUSL1N2S322C']here[/URL]), or weaken the immune system ([URL='https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-britain/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-weaken-peoples-immune-systems-like-chemotherapy-idUSL1N2SY1SP']here[/URL]). Experts at Meedan’s Health Desk explained in Oct. 2021 ([URL='https://health-desk.org/articles/there-is-no-evidence-linking-covid-19-vaccines-with-cancer']here[/URL]) that experts found no evidence linking the vaccines to cancer or HIV. No evidence was supplied to allow Reuters Fact Check to assess the veracity of the claim. The American Cancer Society explains ([URL='https://www.cancer.org/content/dam/cancer-org/research/cancer-facts-and-statistics/annual-cancer-facts-and-figures/2021/special-section-covid19-and-cancer-2021.pdf']here[/URL]) that the COVID-19 pandemic is expected to cause increased cancer mortality over long term due to “delayed diagnoses; interruptions or alterations in potentially curative treatment; the possibility that some adults will abandon prior patterns of preventive care; and the expectation that millions of adults will remain unemployed and without health insurance.” The disruption in regular cancer screenings and care during the COVID-19 pandemic is also discussed in medical journals ([URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7599065/']here[/URL]), ([URL='https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30391-0/fulltext']here[/URL]), ([URL='https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1470204520303880']here[/URL]). One study ([URL='https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1470204520303880']here[/URL]) showed the number of endoscopies performed in April 2020, near the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, was 90% less than the number performed in the first three months of 2020. The study highlighted that between 30 and 40 percent of patients diagnosed with cancer were done through routine outpatient referral pathways. Dr. Gigi Gronvall, immunology expert and senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security ([URL='https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-people/gronvall/']here[/URL]), told Reuters via email that T cells do not work as described by Cole. “If— and it’s a big if— he is seeing genuinely more cancer patients in a way that is statistically verifiable now, it is likely due to people putting off cancer and other medical screening during the last couple years,” Gronvall said. Dr. Andrew Badley, an infectious disease expert and head of Mayo Clinic’s COVID-19 Task Force, also told Reuters via email the COVID-19 pandemic has caused people to delay non-urgent healthcare tasks, which results in diseases that potentially would have been caught at early stages now presenting at more advanced stages with more challenges. “Also, now that patients are re-engaging with the health care system, some are being diagnosed with illnesses that in many cases were not caught early,” Badley said. “Many of these are cancer diagnoses, as well as other severe diagnoses including neurologic disorders, cardiac disease and others.” “There are no controlled studies which link these diagnoses to SARS-CoV2 infections, treatment of COVID-19 or to COVID-19 vaccines, and there is no reason to believe that these diagnoses are in any way associated with COVID-19 or with COVID-19 vaccines,” Badley added. Gronvall concurred, saying “The vaccines have been examined in millions upon millions of people at this point and there is zero evidence that there is any link to any kind of cancer.” Fact checkers USA Today ([URL='https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/27/fact-check-false-claim-cancer-rise-since-vaccine-rollout/8348140002/']here[/URL]), Health Feedback ([URL='https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-scientific-evidence-for-claim-by-pathologist-ryan-cole-that-covid-19-vaccines-weaken-the-immune-system/']here[/URL]), FactCheck.org ([URL='https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/']here[/URL]) and the Associated Press ([URL='https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-228836931193']here[/URL]) have debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to increased cases of cancer. Harvard Health explored a study in November ([URL='https://hms.harvard.edu/news/sars-cov-2-vaccines-cancer']here[/URL]) that found protective benefits of COVID-19 vaccines for cancer patients, as did a December Stanford study ([URL='https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/12/covid-19-vaccines-cancer-patients.html']here[/URL]). VERDICT Misleading/No evidence. There is no evidence to suggest a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and increased cases of cancer. This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work [URL='https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/about']here[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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