3 year old helps to fix combine......

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
have you ever spent much time with a 3yo child ? you assume they have maturity and awareness to understand that

assumption can be a very dangerous thing, especially where heavy machinery is involved
well as I have two grown up kids and four granchildren from 8 months to 5 years old yes thanks I have spent far more time with kids than you,
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
@rob1 cool name but I'm going to argue with you no more and agree to disagree.
Kind regards
Rob T

same here, seems some only learn the hard way, nothing more to say and frankly find it hard to believe than ANYONE can defend this cary misguided action and tweet

I hope they never have to deal with the consequences of assumption or see a child get ill due to their actions
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
of course i have, it is not in the same league as sticking them inside a combine

to suggest otherwise utterly ridiculous and you do yourself or our industry no justice making such silly comparisons
Have your kids never been in a field while its been cut there would be just as much dust in the air as there would be in that combine in the few minutes he was in there
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Have your kids never been in a field while its been cut there would be just as much dust in the air as there would be in that combine in the few minutes he was in there

rubbish, and yes they come to fields with me occasionally, they don't leave the land rover however if a machine is within 200m of them. I know local farmers who killed their own children and that's not going to happen to me

I certainly would not stuff either of them in the back end of a Lexion ! and this is what the tweet is about, not visiting London for a day and not visiting a field etc no matter how much you wish to deflect from the OP
 

solo

Member
Location
worcestershire
This thread shows how different people perceive danger. There are those who value guidance through experiences bringing up a child. Then there are those who wrap the child in overprotective parenting, who then may as an adult crave the adrenaline rush and risk of extreme sports such as bungee jumping etc. Which is right or wrong i can't say, but I'll go with guided education via experience.
 

willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Rutland
Willy, I have upmost respect for you and would like to hope I can call you a friend.
Just imagine if one of your boys had been with that day in the sprayer and you had ended up landing your 12 stone frame on them, snapping their back..... would your life truly be the same it is today, would you have shared as much laughter as you had since then? Would Christmas last year had been as magical when all his siblings were raving about on the pedal tractor and he was sitting watching, smiling at you as only a child can....
sure we can't protect them from everything but we can do something's.
sorry if I've offended you but read my long post above and read between the lines

Perhaps I'm being a wet lettuce caused by lack of. Sleep? Due to new baby. But she bloody came at price I'd never want to pay again... so guess I'm talking from the heart


This is true, however a broken down combine is a different risk. I have altered my risk judgement, and combine with a buddy seat and seat belt is fine for me on most fields. But you are right we all view risks different. But at the same we cannot wrap them in cotton wool and still expect them to understand risk, therefore sometimes increasing their risk due to lack of real judgement,.
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
This thread shows how different people perceive danger. There are those who value guidance through experiences bringing up a child. Then there are those who wrap the child in overprotective parentin,who then may as an adult crave the adrenaline rush and risk of extreme sports such as bungee jumping etc. Which is right or wrong i can't say, but I'll go with guided education via experience.
My parents were old when I was born and were very risk adverse, when they wernt looking I was mental because I was never told of the danger of things because they just kept me away from any, with mine I always tried to educate them into what was ok and what wasnt, as far as I know they never had the close shaves as i did
 

Colin

Member
Location
Perthshire
Yes we all did it and according to a lot of you we have grown up and are safer because of it. Why then is it still a dangerous industry? Maybe because we are brought up with it and get complacent and blasé.
Would they be allowed in a tower crane or an operating theatre[emoji62]?
I don't have kids but surely they should learn by playing, not be encouraged to play at work!
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
I remember as a student one of the few things I do remember. Most farms I went on had a worker with a finger missing, a mangled arm from a harvester. A limp from something, a false eye from something else.... these were all children far from wrapped up in cotton wool, so they obviously learned well from their upbringing how dangerous farming is.... gladly now some 20 odd years later it's rare to find someone on a farm ( yes less worker about now) that have been disfigured through accidents.... the increased H&S can only be a good thing for life
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Yes we all did it and according to a lot of you we have grown up and are safer because of it. Why then is it still a dangerous industry? Maybe because we are brought up with it and get complacent and blasé.
Would they be allowed in a tower crane or an operating theatre[emoji62]?
I don't have kids but surely they should learn by playing, not be encouraged to play at work!

exactly - just because we got away with it not everyone did, the ones that didn't are not able to post on this thread though !!

I can't imagine what loosing a child must do to a man, never mind if you were in anyway responsible yourself for the loss. I am not afraid of risk, I do a lot of very dangerous and very silly stuff for fun but i don't gamble with other peoples lives
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
One final point, my kids grew up on the farm and were with me on the farm from a very young age, never once did I have a scare with them, now when my stepsons arrived one wknd It was bloody awfult they were 8/10/11 and had never set foot on a farm and were bloody everywhere,didnt have any knowledge of the dangers of anything took me a long while to educate them
 

Dairyfarmerswife

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
It's the whole idea of a child being part of the 'work force' in a place that is dangerous enough for adults that concerns me. We need eyes in the back of our head just to be aware of colleagues and what they are doing. The concentration levels required when the children are around, are, for me, pretty exhausting. And as @rob1 above says, the ramifications of getting it wrong are long lasting. It certainly isn't fair to put employees or colleagues in the position where they might unwittingly cause the death of a child.
 

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