AB10

[ORJ]

Looking at AB10’as an option under mid tier at £1072 ha it’s an interesting option. Continuous Spring cereals which you never harvest.

Just wanted to know of anyone who could tell me the pit falls?

 

[Flintstone]

I have 50 hectares of it. It’s a good option for poorer areas of land, and/or awkward shaped bits. The rate went up from £800 to over £1,000 per hectare back in January, and there aren’t many crops that can be grown on marginal land at the moment that will beat the margin it gives.

Drill at 100kgs, and then shut the gate until mid Feb. It sucks all the pigeons away from the local rape fields, and it can be direct drilled the following year straight into the remaining stalks.

I didn’t realise that Mid Tier could still be entered. I applied last July for a 1/1/24 start, and had been told that was the last opportunity for Mid Tier before SFI took over. I may be wrong.

 

[Two Tone]

Was talking to a chap at the Defra helpline the other day re a query on CS, and was saying that we could really do with CS and SFI being joined up, so as not to have to constantly think how one effect the other.
He said that is what they are working on trying to achieve next.

One problem I foresee is the different time lengths of each type and the we annotate amalgamate new and old CS agreements.

 

[Neddy flanders]

I have 50 hectares of it. It’s a good option for poorer areas of land, and/or awkward shaped bits. The rate went up from £800 to over £1,000 per hectare back in January, and there aren’t many crops that can be grown on marginal land at the moment that will beat the margin it gives.

Drill at 100kgs, and then shut the gate until mid Feb. It sucks all the pigeons away from the local rape fields, and it can be direct drilled the following year straight into the remaining stalks.

I didn’t realise that Mid Tier could still be entered. I applied last July for a 1/1/24 start, and had been told that was the last opportunity for Mid Tier before SFI took over. I may be wrong.

so if i planted 1000 ha, UK Taxpayer would payme £1mil each year...... absolute effing madness..

 

[Flintstone]

£1,072,000, yes.

I did think about it on 430 ha. £461,000, and no risk.

 

[crazy_bull]

£1,072,000, yes.

I did think about it on 430 ha. £461,000, and no risk.

Then sell big pigeon shooting days! Brucey bonus on top. Truly mental!!

C B

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

so if i planted 1000 ha, UK Taxpayer would payme £1mil each year...... absolute effing madness..

I'm hearing that whole farm schemes are not getting immediate approval like odd field corners are.

Obviously there isn't enough cash in the SFI budget for £1,000/ha for a whole farm in every parish.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

I'm hearing that whole farm schemes are not getting immediate approval like odd field corners are.

Reported here today FWi

https://x.com/johanntasker/status/1772224551876796633?s=20

Government ensures food production remains primary purpose of farming

The government is introducing new measures to limit the amount of land farmers can take out of productive actions under the Sustainable Farming Incentive (SFI)

www.gov.uk

 

[Brisel]

£1,072,000, yes.

I did think about it on 430 ha. £461,000, and no risk.

Other than creating a weedy mess of your farm?

 

[jd24]

Other than creating a weedy mess of your farm?

Relying on the government to honour payments and on time is not zero risk.

 

[jd24]

Odd thing i saw on ab10. They want and open structure at 450 to 700 tillers /m2 . Surely a typo becaise that sounds as dense as a thatch roof?

WJats the cheapest? Triticale, rye or oats?

 

[Brisel]

Relying on the government to honour payments and on time is not zero risk.

True. I’m still waiting for last year’s CS payment thanks to the RPA‘s IT error thinking one of my arable options is on what they have decided is permanent pasture, despite it being arable since the inception of IACS. Hopefully just a cash flow issue.

Odd thing i saw on ab10. They want and open structure at 450 to 700 tillers /m2 . Surely a typo becaise that sounds as dense as a thatch roof?

WJats the cheapest? Triticale, rye or oats?

Whatever you can source the cheapest.

 

[jd24]

Has anyone managed to put in any spring crops? We want to flail off an old ab9 cover crop but i think we wuld be up to the axle in a few mins

 

[jd24]

True. I’m still waiting for last year’s CS payment thanks to the RPA‘s IT error thinking one of my arable options is on what they have decided is permanent pasture, despite it being arable since the inception of IACS. Hopefully just a cash flow issue.


Whatever you can source the cheapest.

Once again we have been docked money on our lowland grazing for natural tracks being in the parcel even though it says it can be included. I have given up pointing it out to them.
One year that contact. me explaining why. A really lengthy email just to dock us like £90. I bet the person spent 2 days writing it up.... I really do love the

"you have a message waiting from the rpa"
What is it this time....

 

[Brisel]

Once again we have been docked money on our lowland grazing for natural tracks being in the parcel even though it says it can be included. I have given up pointing it out to them.
One year that contact. me explaining why. A really lengthy email just to dock us like £90. I bet the person spent 2 days writing it up.... I really do love the

"you have a message waiting from the rpa"
What is it this time....

Nice to know our taxes are achieving their best value. Did it hold up your payment?

 

[jd24]

This year no. Two years ago we didnt get paid until May!

 

[ORJ]

What sized area was that for?

 

[jd24]

This is the section on gs2. It still states bracken, natural tracks and grazeable woods are okay, yet they dock you...
When I have made my case, taken photos of the areas they say "their guidance says these shouldn't be included"...... its not worth the time to argue small amounts being dropped from the payment but it is annoying.