Goweresque
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- Location
- North Wilts
As above. Some haven't even started to bud yet. Is it related to ash die back? Or the wet weather? Or is it one of the old folk tale signs of a good summer to come - oak before the ash, in for a splash?
Ash trees very late this year
- Thread starter Goweresque
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- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
Are you sure they aren't dead?
Goweresque
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- Location
- North Wilts
Hopefully they are just resting.
Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
Everything is later this year…
"Ash before Oak, we're in for a soak"
"Oak before Ash, only a splash"
Not much in it around here.
*edit* - easy to tell the ones affected by dieback as they are much more bare and open at the top. All the wee side branches break off first so you're left with the thicker stuff pointing up on it's own. Tree types refer to it as the "dead man's fingers" look.
"Oak before Ash, only a splash"
Not much in it around here.
*edit* - easy to tell the ones affected by dieback as they are much more bare and open at the top. All the wee side branches break off first so you're left with the thicker stuff pointing up on it's own. Tree types refer to it as the "dead man's fingers" look.
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- Location
- Berkshire
From the few remaining Ash Trees we have left I’d say the Oak is further out
- Location
- Devon
Oak way ahead of the Ash here, even allowing for dieback.
Whether that means anything.....
Whether that means anything.....
- Location
- Westish Suffolk
Down south, everything is early, apple blossom 20 days earlier than last year according to RHS somewhere...
( some winter barley well in awn too )
But yes, Ash here is slow compared to Oak.
TheTallGuy
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- Location
- Cambridgeshire
Most Ash out and about is slow around here, but I have a potted sapling here that went through the bottom of the pot last year so I broke the main root hoping to delay planting out... blooming thing has sprouted and is gaining inches of growth almost by the day.
- Location
- Near Beeston Castle
No, they react to what has happened not what is going to happen.
- Location
- Devon
So a very wet time favours the oak over the Ash and a subsequent drier time is more likely?
That would make sense of the saying
- Location
- south norfolk, uk
Ash hardly out at all round here but oak's all well along.
Oak is deep rooting whilst Ash tends to be shallow rooting so in a wet spell Ash can get plenty of water but in a dry spell Oak can get water from deeper down whilst Ash 's shallow roots are in dryer soil. That's how I see it but that does not explain why, after the wet time we have had since last October, Oak trees are currently in full leaf around here but Ash are not.
I think all Ash is suffering with Dieback to a lessor or greater degree, hampering its growth /vigour slowing sap rise maybe, in the lessor and killing branches in the greater.
Hornbeam will make a good easy to establish replacement if you have a gap.
Hornbeam will make a good easy to establish replacement if you have a gap.
Definitely need something to replace the ash, only oaks left round here apart from willow. Does hornbeam like wet heavy ground?
organicguy
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- Location
- North East of the south west
I assumed it was temperature related, Oak progressing faster at lower temperatures?
they will like it as much as Ash does, and more so than Beech, maybe not quite so mcuh as an Oak and yes they like water .
That's good to know, want to plant a new hedge with some trees in it, as it happens I transplanted some pot grown oaks out today with some crab apples, will need some water but very little disturbance of the root ball.
these not on heavy ground but its not great soil either,and mor e acid than alk. all planted about 13 yrs ago
trimmed regularly
and this run left to grow up for screening
beech nearby is still struggling to break out of its buds to leaf ,which straightaway sets it on the back foot because trees best growth time is now really