Ban Non stun slaughter

[Gedd]

Make sure the ban covers imports. Nothing is achieved if it's banned here then imported from countries with lower welfare standards.

Do you think that will happen just look at the RT fiasco

 

[soapsud]

I heard that raised adrenaline affects meat taste. That means if the animal is highly stressed then its being done wrong. Stunning or non-stunning shouldn't be labelled in my view because that's another layer of admin and inspection which means more for the non-productive bureaucrats to do and less for the producers and higher prices for the consumer. Also, the customer would probably not want to know.

Take it to the other extreme: In an ideal world an animal should be slaughtered without traveling too far first, without hearing or smelling anything it shouldn't. I say this as someone who home kills and freezes what we've raised and cared for. Understanding how we can do this is part of keeping animals. I'd say more but there are some right idealists here on TFF so I wont.

 

[devonbeef]

Ban non-stun slaughter

Please sign and share the petition, I have finally got this through parliament, using new laws and ruling, so it's not like those in the past

In modern society, we believe more consideration needs to be given to animal welfare and how livestock is treated and culled.

We believe non-stun slaughter is barbaric and doesn't fit in with our culture and modern-day values and should be banned, as some EU nations have done.

In a landmark case, the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has ruled that a ban on the ritual slaughter of animals without prior stunning does not violate the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). The Court considered that the protection of public morals, to which Article 9 of the Convention referred was not indifferent to the living environment of individuals covered by its protection and, in particular, to animals.

Ban Non-Stun Slaughter - click pink to sign the government petition

good on you to try, i will sign, thank you

 

[Bald Rick]

Just a small point but pheasants and ducks are also reared for slaughter but are not pre stunned.
Be easy to tag shooting on to any legislation

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Do some pigs still get gassed with C02?

 

[David.]

Do some pigs still get gassed with C02?

Yes.
Anyone who has ever put their head in a freshly opened home brew bucket, and had a few deep breaths, will understand why the piggies may not enjoy the experience much.

 

[gatepost]

Why do we have to take so much notice of medieval mumbo jumbo , just beggars belief !

 

[Exfarmer]

Yes.
Anyone who has ever put their head in a freshly opened home brew bucket, and had a few deep breaths, will understand why the piggies may not enjoy the experience much.

different to breathing high concentrations of pure CO2 which will very quickly induce unconsciousness, since it does not smell it should not induce panic and associated problems with adrenalin etc.

 

[kiwi pom]

Just a small point but pheasants and ducks are also reared for slaughter but are not pre stunned.
Be easy to tag shooting on to any legislation

Yep and when they’re done with that (which will pi*s everyone on here off) they’ll say, hang on after you stun them you still kill them and we can’t have that anymore, we shouldn’t be killing things to eat.
Careful what you wish for.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Make sure the ban covers imports. Nothing is achieved if it's banned here then imported from countries with lower welfare standards.

Should not be difficult, few countries have lower standards than the UK, in this respect.

It peeves me about the misconception that it's about pandering to various faiths/beliefs, as I worked in a slaughterhouse alongside the Halal slaughtermen and carpooled to work with the lady who stunned the cattle. I was the "get in there and cut the spinal cord with the special knife" guy and the "shackle them and hoist them up" guy

It's entirely possible to pre-stun and maintain Halal status, that's simply a cop-out/myth as @ollie989898 pointed out.

IMO they need to come up with some better excuses or, preferably, come up with some better legislation. Perception is reality

 

[Exfarmer]

Should not be difficult, few countries have lower standards than the UK, in this respect.

It peeves me about the misconception that it's about pandering to various faiths/beliefs, as I worked in a slaughterhouse alongside the Halal slaughtermen and carpooled to work with the lady who stunned the cattle. I was the "get in there and cut the spinal cord with the special knife" guy and the "shackle them and hoist them up" guy

It's entirely possible to pre-stun and maintain Halal status, that's simply a cop-out/myth as @ollie989898 pointed out.

IMO they need to come up with some better excuses or, preferably, come up with some better legislation. Perception is reality

The pre stun and Halal is not compliant with the strict Muslim faith as you will find out by a very quick google, some sects are happy with it but many are not. The Jews are very similar, in fact an awful lot of jews will admit eating pork and not many muslims will.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The pre stun and Halal is not compliant with the strict Muslim faith as you will find out by a very quick google, some sects are happy with it but many are not. The Jews are very similar, in fact an awful lot of jews will admit eating pork and not many muslims will.

I will leave it to them to find the truth from google and decide how to source their meat.

 

[snipe]

If a ban came In on no stun slaughter, would all the slaughter houses change to 100% stun slaughter and all the customers accept it, or would it just get imported from abroad?

 

[Hampton]

If a ban came In on no stun slaughter, would all the slaughter houses change to 100% stun slaughter and all the customers accept it, or would it just get imported from abroad?

It’s banned in the EU I think?

 

[Redhill]

Should not be difficult, few countries have lower standards than the UK, in this respect.

It peeves me about the misconception that it's about pandering to various faiths/beliefs, as I worked in a slaughterhouse alongside the Halal slaughtermen and carpooled to work with the lady who stunned the cattle. I was the "get in there and cut the spinal cord with the special knife" guy and the "shackle them and hoist them up" guy

It's entirely possible to pre-stun and maintain Halal status, that's simply a cop-out/myth as @ollie989898 pointed out.

IMO they need to come up with some better excuses or, preferably, come up with some better legislation. Perception is reality

This is certainly a certain kind of political thinking which seeks to justify Halal practices as "Normal", which they are not, but I'd also point out that NZ & Aus standards do not match Islamic countries as live exports for 1000s of miles by ship demonstrate.

A very high stress experience even for a human in those conditions.

Which says everything IMHO - anything for a buck.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

This is certainly a certain kind of political thinking which seeks to justify Halal practices as "Normal", which they are not, but I'd also point out that NZ & Aus standards do not match Islamic countries as live exports for 1000s of miles by ship demonstrate.

A very high stress experience even for a human in those conditions.

Which says everything IMHO - anything for a buck.

That's correct, however do not confuse non-stun slaughter with 'Halal practice'.

That simply makes the possibility of "pre-stunned, certified Halal" unavailable;when it's very available globally, it captures the absurdity of this situation. In these times it's basically prerequisite to exporting sheepmeat

 

[Old Boar]

I am not religious, but there are many Christians in the UK who believe in the Bible teachings. One of these is "you shall have no other God but me". I raised the question of meat being slaughtered while the tape of the Muslim prayer or the slaughterhouse man reciting a prayer as the beast was killed went against the teachings and most Christians said it did, and that they did not want to eat meat which had been "blessed" by another religion.
Simply labelling the meat to show how it was slaughtered would mean the consumer had a choice.
I was told all prison and most hospital meat is halal for convenience.
I could always tell when butchering a pig if it had been highly stressed as the meat was "wibbly" and it was very difficult to cure.

 

[Exfarmer]

I am not religious, but there are many Christians in the UK who believe in the Bible teachings. One of these is "you shall have no other God but me". I raised the question of meat being slaughtered while the tape of the Muslim prayer or the slaughterhouse man reciting a prayer as the beast was killed went against the teachings and most Christians said it did, and that they did not want to eat meat which had been "blessed" by another religion.
Simply labelling the meat to show how it was slaughtered would mean the consumer had a choice.
I was told all prison and most hospital meat is halal for convenience.
I could always tell when butchering a pig if it had been highly stressed as the meat was "wibbly" and it was very difficult to cure.

is it not normally hard to cure when it has been slaughtered

 

[Tomo23]

I am not religious, but there are many Christians in the UK who believe in the Bible teachings. One of these is "you shall have no other God but me". I raised the question of meat being slaughtered while the tape of the Muslim prayer or the slaughterhouse man reciting a prayer as the beast was killed went against the teachings and most Christians said it did, and that they did not want to eat meat which had been "blessed" by another religion.
Simply labelling the meat to show how it was slaughtered would mean the consumer had a choice.
I was told all prison and most hospital meat is halal for convenience.
I could always tell when butchering a pig if it had been highly stressed as the meat was "wibbly" and it was very difficult to cure.

At this meeting I went to, there was a christian lady dead against their halal job for the reason of being blessed by another religion.

She asked the AHDB chef about the lambs she sends to dunbia and buying it from the supermarket, he told her it was most probably halal slaughtered and blessed. The lady very near had a seizure on the spot.

 

[David.]

We killed a pork pig once, to save its life, because it had been attacked by its pen mates.
The meat was just like jelly and wouldn't set. I guess it's full of cortisol or something.