Bbc fake news
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Hindsight
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Would you care to post a link - be interested to see that. Cheers.
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Fox News do a handy app. I find it very informative.
I don't know how to
Must look for that,at least I wouldn't have to pay a fee like I have too to watch the bulls*it broadcasting corparation
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Google and Fox are your friends 
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Hi, not to worry I have just had a look on the BBC news webpage. Are you referring the video clip which is 53 seconds long and has clips from various countries around Europe celebrating EU anniversary. If you are then may I presume it is the bit at 33 seconds when a lady is interviewed and then to the left of screen is superimposed images with Union Jack flags - theres are green trees to the rear of the lady - if so I think the lady was being interviewed in Rome but she was a UK citizen and the UK bit was superimposed to the left. I could well be wrong and it might be something entirely different to which you refer. But such is fake news - does it even exist.
They could always be evergreen trees? rather than deciduous
That sounds like it,I will have another look and see if its the one
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I saw this clip. Extremely confusing. The BBC showed a few seconds from several places around the EU (how much did that cost licence fee payers?) whilst announcing that thousands took to the streets in London protesting against Brexit. Such protests against democracy are permitted.
I had the impression the lady was in Rome, but could be wrong. Nothing significant in the background, but she could have been almost anywhere.
I had the impression the lady was in Rome, but could be wrong. Nothing significant in the background, but she could have been almost anywhere.
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I thought the collage of clips was OK - suspect cannot be any different as brief and designed for web and app platform. Was I presume put together by a BBC news backroom staffer cut and pasted various clips they could pick up relatively easily from local BBC correspondents that were doing there usual duties - so cost was just part of BBC running costs.
Could you clarify please your sentence 'such protests against democracy are permitted' the sentiment of that sentence indicates you seem to question that a protest against Brexit could be permitted? Why not - last I knew in UK we live with freedom of speech and expression, so long it is in a peaceful manner. Surely you are not suggesting the government ban the 48% from disagreeing with the 52% is that the meaning of 'the will of the people'
As I have said before I am not bothered either way but I am concerned if Brexit means Brexit means folk cannot say what they like if it disagrees with ' the will of the people'
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Your concern is misplaced freedom of speech is part and parcel of a democracy. For instance I am free to express my own judgement on President Trump's performance on healthcare. I think that his laziness and cowardice left others (Mr Pence and Mr Ryan) to try to persuade his own party to follow him. Then he lied (again) by blaming democrats for his own failure. I can express that mistaken view freely.
In the cold light of day it is comforting to log on to Fox and have all explained for me in terms I can understand. Thank goodness the president isn't a TV celeb way out of his depth.
In the cold light of day it is comforting to log on to Fox and have all explained for me in terms I can understand. Thank goodness the president isn't a TV celeb way out of his depth.
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I agree with you that my post was not sufficiently clear. I would expect those who voted to Remain would continue to think the UK should not be leaving - very much the same as voting for a particular party in a general election. Just because your party loses it does not mean that you switch sides. Your party in opposition in Parliament will, on your behalf, hold the government of the day to account so far as it can.
I expect opposition MPs to treat Brexit similarly and question the government's plans and purposes. I do not expect Parliament to be given details of negotiations in advance. Nor do I expect the government to guarantee the future residence of EU nationals currently residing in the UK prior to a similar commitment from the EU in respect of British nationals. I have no intention of remaining in Portugal for the rest of my life, but I do not want the EU to make a decision that I will be kicked out if the UK has already allowed EU nationals to remain in the UK.
There was a headline to the effect that thousands had marched in protest against Brexit in London, but there was no footage of that, nor any further description of it so far as I saw. Consequently we have no idea (from the BBC item) whether or not it was a peaceful demonstration about certain aspects of Brexit. If it was then I am pleased that such protests are permitted in the UK. They are not tolerated in some other countries.
My complaint is about those who want to overturn the referendum result. If the protest was not peaceful and/or was in support of overthrowing the result then I am not in favour of such protests. I waited 40 years for a second chance to vote to leave the (now) EU. The roughly one third of the voters who were of the same view as me in the first referendum did not take to the streets and demand another vote or seek to overturn "the will of the people".
Trying to overturn the result now is not acceptable in my opinion. It is a great deal quicker than the SNP called for a second referendum in Scotland,and look at the general response to that around the UK, including on this forum.
Once in a generation was the statement the SNP made in 2014. Once in a generation has been applied to the EU too. I expect that to be repeated.
The SNP should go on and have one right away and pay for it from party funds, best of British luck to them
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@Henarar They would have no problem meeting the costs. It was fairly close the last time and there are sufficient people with the wherewithall to enable it to be funded.
As someone who wants to live there from the forseeable future until I snuff it, I do not want Independence to happen. I find it strange that going over all the ins and outs of political unions I am on one side and then the other, but then I think the circumstances change, so my view changes.
I think it was wrong that Scotland formed a political union with England. I do think it was good that the Scottish King - James VI took over the throne of England becoming James I of England too.
I was opposed to the UK being in the (now) EU. I was pleased my vote was one of those that had us leave. I was opposed to Scottish independence in 2014. I am opposed to it now. 50 to 60 years ago I would have been in favour of Scottish independence because Scotland was at that time prosperous and, I think, would have remained so.
I know my parens generation and extended family (mining folk) never forgave Churchill about the Welsh miners and would literally I suspect have voted a monkey Labour candidate in. Actually some of the Labour candidates in that constituency were not fit to be MPs. I understand the present MP is a "canny lad" according to my MIL who taught him when he was a boy.
As someone who wants to live there from the forseeable future until I snuff it, I do not want Independence to happen. I find it strange that going over all the ins and outs of political unions I am on one side and then the other, but then I think the circumstances change, so my view changes.
I think it was wrong that Scotland formed a political union with England. I do think it was good that the Scottish King - James VI took over the throne of England becoming James I of England too.
I was opposed to the UK being in the (now) EU. I was pleased my vote was one of those that had us leave. I was opposed to Scottish independence in 2014. I am opposed to it now. 50 to 60 years ago I would have been in favour of Scottish independence because Scotland was at that time prosperous and, I think, would have remained so.
I know my parens generation and extended family (mining folk) never forgave Churchill about the Welsh miners and would literally I suspect have voted a monkey Labour candidate in. Actually some of the Labour candidates in that constituency were not fit to be MPs. I understand the present MP is a "canny lad" according to my MIL who taught him when he was a boy.
Let them carry on then, if the folk in Scotland want to leave the UK that's up to them
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I think the majority do not want to leave the UK. Could be wrong, but that is my gut feeling.
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They would be crazy to leave now. They should wait and see how brexit plays out. May knows the Scots can't leave without huge self inflicted economic damage. I'm sure Sturgeon knows too!
Maybe the PM should have called the fish woman's bluff and told her she had to have the ref next may or not at all and the SNP had to pay for it
take it or leave it and STFU
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There's a deal to be done. More autonomy for Scotland within the Uk in return for fewer Scottish MPs at Westminster. That would suit both of them.
Old McDonald
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Now you are talking like an Englishman. English people think they have a right to tell the Scots what to do. That is what causes the friction between the two countries - English arrogance.
This is not your normal anti London and SE attitude. Why the change?