Delivering 30 by 30

[Jackov Altraids]

An interesting document;

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65735eca049516000f49bf45/Delivering_30by30_on_land_in_England.pdf

It starts by saying;
New contributions to the 30by30 target will be made on a voluntary basis, and there is no obligation on landowners or land managers to participate.

And goes on to say;
Areas counting for 30by30 should be protected from loss or damage to important biodiversity values, either through legal or other effective means which may include conservation covenants, planning policy, long-term ownership or long-term management agreements.

I think it would be wise for everyone to have a look.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

 

[MrNoo]

Well, the Cotswolds look as a priority area, long term aim 20+ years. Where will it end??
The start of farmers being hounded off their land

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Well, the Cotswolds look as a priority area, long term aim 20+ years. Where will it end??
The start of farmers being hounded off their land

It kind of has something of a Dutch feel about it.
But then they were having the land bought at at least the going rate, not just having it reclassified as a reserve.

 

[Hindsight]

It kind of has something of a Dutch feel about it.
But then they were having the land bought at at least the going rate, not just having it reclassified as a reserve.

Quite fascinating. East coast is covered. See lots of little blue areas - down to field level presumably - must be a map somewhere. Most already know I presume - SSSIs for example?

 

[DrWazzock]

Lincs Wolds AONB looks to a potential area. Good wheat growing land.
Seems a bit silly to convert it.
But what do they actually mean to do with it?
I find the whole thing unnecessary.
When you consider the amount of stewardship work that’s been done over the last 30 years why is there this urgency to do more and sense of crisis? I don’t get it. Leave us alone.

 

[DrWazzock]

Having skim read the document it would appear we are now governed by hysterical fanatics..
I blame it on the demise of pipe smoking and wool cardigans. My earliest memory of politics is seeing Harold Wilson on our black and white set drawing on his pipe while wearing a sensible wool cardigan. The man exuded calmness and common sense. That’s what we need now.

 

[B'o'B]

A question for the people who are already farming in areas covered by red on the above map, what impact does it have on your agricultural activities?

 

[Devil's advocate]

Having skim read the document it would appear we are now governed by hysterical fanatics..
I blame it on the demise of pipe smoking and wool cardigans. My earliest memory of politics is seeing Harold Wilson on our black and white set drawing on his pipe while wearing a sensible wool cardigan. The man exuded calmness and common sense. That’s what we need now.

But not taxing the rich until the pips sweek.

He did remind me of my Grandad though, he was Huddersfield born.

 

[DrWazzock]

But not taxing the rich until the pips sweek.

He did remind me of my Grandad though, he was Huddersfield born.

Agreed. But we are all taxed quite heavily now. Highest tax burden now than there’s been for 70 years. And still billions being spaffed on the kind of stuff shown in the OP. Thousands of jobs doing not a lot on public bodies overseeing preservation of greater spotted nut scratchers and defending nature from evil landowners who would obviously just go out and slash and burn if it wasn’t for the Wolds Countryside Service etc etc etc.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Listening to Harold Wilson interviews now.

I don;t want him back.

Price controls on food & compulsary purchase of land for council housing.

 

[DrWazzock]

Listening to Harold Wilson interviews now.

I don;t want him back.

Price controls on food & compulsary purchase of land for council housing.

What fundamentally was wrong with any of that?

 

[bluebell]

What was VAT, (value addided tax) when it was first introduced, was it 9 per cent?

 

[Exfarmer]

What was VAT, (value addided tax) when it was first introduced, was it 9 per cent?

Started at 10% then reduced to 8 % then a higher rate first 12.5 then doubled to 25%
Base rate was then raised to 12.5 then 15 but top rate dropped

 

[Hindsight]

What was VAT, (value addided tax) when it was first introduced, was it 9 per cent?

Started at 10% then reduced to 8 % then a higher rate first 12.5 then doubled to 25%
Base rate was then raised to 12.5 then 15 but top rate dropped

Standard VAT rates since 1973:[41]

From	To	Standard rate
1 April 1973	July 1974	10.0%
July 1974	17 June 1979	8.0%*
18 June 1979	18 March 1991	15.0%
19 March 1991	30 November 2008	17.5%
1 December 2008	31 December 2009	15.0%
1 January 2010	3 January 2011	17.5%
4 January 2011	Present	20.0%

*During this period an alternate VAT rate of 25% and then 12.5% was introduced for petrol and some luxury goods.[42] This was abolished in 1979.

 

[Devil's advocate]

What fundamentally was wrong with any of that?

A Food is cheap enougth.

B Taxing the rich means the really rich one hide wealth or flee country, so then middle classes get hammered.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Not a lot different from, the middle classes get hammered.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Started at 10% then reduced to 8 % then a higher rate first 12.5 then doubled to 25%
Base rate was then raised to 12.5 then 15 but top rate dropped

25% rate was on luxury goods and bought in by Healey and didn't last long because it was political dynamite, mostly because it covered a fair number of items (including most domestic electrical goods) that Joe Public certainly wouldn't consider to be a luxury.

Can you imagine it these days, some arrogant MP telling housewifes that their washer and drier are "luxury goods"?

 

[Paddington]

15 pages of civil service speak, rolled up and as they are so keen, use the bottom up approach.

 

[Netherfield]

Having skim read the document it would appear we are now governed by hysterical fanatics..
I blame it on the demise of pipe smoking and wool cardigans. My earliest memory of politics is seeing Harold Wilson on our black and white set drawing on his pipe while wearing a sensible wool cardigan. The man exuded calmness and common sense. That’s what we need now.

Don't be daft, you can't get a proper Gannex Mac anymore.

And the mill's been demolished where it was made.