Does Environmental and Vegan pressure put you off dairy investments?

[vantage]

No but i heard that 75% of all antibiotics manufactured are used in agriculture and someone recently tested milk in supermarkets and 25% had detectable levels of antibitoics!

Hmmm! Is that statistic true or a case of " Lies,damn lies and statistics ". Modern analytical methods can pretty much detect anything in minute quantities,not saying the antibiotic level is true or not,but sounds like propaganda to me.

 

[Scholsey]

It was being discussed on 5live admittedly late in the evening so can’t be completely made up.

Found the 75% figure mind blowing!

The BMJ is full of articles about antibiotic resistance and it like highly likely that a sizeable percentage of us will die due to antibiotic resistant infections. Scary stuff.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

Just had a quick Google while having my pre milking coffee.

Seems there is plenty of claims out there.
Last published data from 2016 that I've found suggests 33% of AB usage is in farm and companion animals.

Then there is papers from organisations like Compassion in world farming that do indeed claim "up to" 80%.
I suspect the "up to" language covers a lot of legal bases, bit like broadband speed claims.

 

[ollie989898]

The problem with veterinary or medical journals is that if you examine a slew of articles discussing a particular subject you will find lots of them nearly contradict each other.

Antibiotic use in many countries is highly regulated in humans and animals but not so in others. A lot of people also place themselves at acute risk because of their behaviors and some of these do called superbugs are actually strains of bacteria that naturally reside on or in some people who are largely immune to them.

I think in time the nature of the veterinary world will change but there are some antibiotics in veterinary use that have little or no utility in humans.

 

[coomoo]

The news and internet is awash with Vegan chat and every celebrity social media post and BBC news article is bashing dairy and meat from an environmental point of view.

Should this be taken into account when looking at large scale dairy specific investments? Such as robotics or green field site?

I appreciate that most should have say a 10-15 year payback but to make them really earn anything you want them to be useful for 25-30+years?

I still take the view over everything that when a consumer walks into a shop it’s price obviously combined with ethics environment etc but that depends on how affluent.Personally I intend to continue to invest every single penny I can beg borrow and steal to reduce my cost per litre as low as possible I’m my system.

 

[jerseycowsman]

I'm not going to let those both arrogant and ignorant, self righteous c**ts (the mouthy vegans) stop me from doing what I love doing, especially as dairy consumption is continuing to rise despite all the hate those pricks keep uttering

 

[Steevo]

Just had a quick Google while having my pre milking coffee.

Seems there is plenty of claims out there.
Last published data from 2016 that I've found suggests 33% of AB usage is in farm and companion animals.

Then there is papers from organisations like Compassion in world farming that do indeed claim "up to" 80%.
I suspect the "up to" language covers a lot of legal bases, bit like broadband speed claims.

I've hazard a guess that if you tested a sample of humans, over 80% would contain at least one toxin in their body....be that alcohol, caffeine etc.

 

[vantage]

I've hazard a guess that if you tested a sample of humans, over 80% would contain at least one toxin in their body....be that alcohol, caffeine etc.

You can find almost anything now as testing has got so accurate.
Make that 100%!

 

[Steevo]

You can find almost anything now as testing has got so accurate.
Make that 100%!

Nicotine too was another I could add to the list.

 

[Bald Rick]

We had a NRW, the Welsh equivalent of the EA,visit a couple of days ago, a courtesy one that all farms will have eventually and we talked about grants. £6 m in the pot for all of Wales,it's just a gesture as the principal of "polluter pays" will apply. It will be game up for many.

See you lot down south have been polluting rivers again.

 

[vantage]

See you lot down south have been polluting rivers again.

Tell me more,I'm in my own little bubble here.

 

[dowcow]

Last published data from 2016 that I've found suggests 33% of AB usage is in farm and companion animals.

Then there is papers from organisations like Compassion in world farming that do indeed claim "up to" 80%.
I suspect the "up to" language covers a lot of legal bases, bit like broadband speed claims.

Exactly that. 'Upto' is the greatest tool of the marketing types, yet is utterly bulls**t. Using that word, you can say pretty much anything you want, making the person reading think you mean what you stated, when you can actually get away with having absolutely nothing in that regard

If you see 'upto' in any marketing whatsoever, you can safely just disregard the entire statement. It's tosh.

 

[Steevo]

Exactly that. 'Upto' is the greatest tool of the marketing types, yet is utterly bullpoo. Using that word, you can say pretty much anything you want, making the person reading think you mean what you stated, when you can actually get away with having absolutely nothing in that regard

If you see 'upto' in any marketing whatsoever, you can safely just disregard the entire statement. It's tosh.

I read your post fully, upto the second word.

 

[dowcow]

I read your post fully, upto the second word.

In all seriousness though, we are likely to see a lot of these sorts of words such as 'upto' used against us by vegans and environmentalists. These groups are well funded now, and they are throwing their funds at marketing and promotion. We would do well to be prepared to be able to cut through such mis-information.

There's also an amount of logical fallacy being thrown about by the grassroots supporters of these causes, and while the bigger organisations might be more careful, they certainly don't point out the errors of a useful idiot.

Likewise, it's too easy for one with such skills to pick holes in our own arguments when sometimes they are unwittingly expressed in less than ideal terms.

 

[Bald Rick]

Tell me more,I'm in my own little bubble here.

On Wales Today. Another slurry spillage in to the Teifi (I think) estimated at 120,000 gallons. Fishermen are calling down all sorts of hell on farmers as second time in 2 years

 

[vantage]

Not my neck of the woods, hopefully@headless chicken has kept his nose clean.

 

[simplesimon]

 

[Bald Rick]

Not my neck of the woods, hopefully@headless chicken has kept his nose clean.

Near Cilgerran .... wherever that is. My knowledge stops north of Dolgellau

 

[vantage]

Near Cilgerran .... wherever that is. My knowledge stops north of Dolgellau

South of Cardigan.

 

[jersey lou79]

Not at all. The vegan bubble is starting to burst. Many of the famous YouTube ' influencers' that have converted lots of kids have now ditched the vegan diet for health reasons.
87% of vegans go back to a meat and dairy diet ..... give if 3 to 5 years for their guts to pack in and the fad will be over