EU orders Britain's organic farmers to treat sick animals with homeopathy

Great In Grass

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British organic farmers must treat their animals with unscientific homeopathic remedies under new rules from Brussels.
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Organic cows must be treated with homeopathic remedies ahead of scientifically proven remedies, the EU has ruled



Sarah Knapton, Science Editor and Richard Orange



British organic farmers are being forced to treat their livestock with homeopathic remedies under new European Commission rules branded ‘scientifically illiterate’ by vets.


Although homeopathy has been branded as ‘rubbish’ by the government’s Chief Medical Officer Dame Sally Davies, organic farmers have been told they must try it first under a new EU directive which came into force in January.

The regulation means that animals could be left diseased or in pain for far longer than necessary and organic meat could end up containing higher levels of bacteria, vets have warned.

John Blackwell, President of the British Veterinary Association, said: “We should always use medicines which have a strong science base and homeopathic remedies are not underpinned by any strong science.

“Disease is painful and farmers have an obligation to reduce that pain and not allow their animals to suffer so this regulation is troubling. It may lead to serious animal health and welfare detriment.

“If animals are not treated promptly it could lead to an underlying level of pathogen which could mean that the animal was no longer fit for human consumption.”
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The directive states that: “it is a general requirement…for production of all organic livestock that (herbal) and homeopathic products… shall be used in preference to chemically-synthesised allopathic veterinary treatment or antibiotics.”

Supporters claim that homeopathy can treat everything from depression to hay fever, the theory being that substances that produce the symptoms of an ailment can cure it once they have been watered down many times to reduce their strength.

Advocates of the practice claim the water retains a “memory” of the original substance.
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However in 2010, the Science and Technology Committee ruled there was no evidence that the drugs were any more effective than a placebo while a meta-analysis by The Lancet found the treatment worked no better than a sugar-pill.

Critics argue that a placebo effect cannot possibly work on animals because they are unaware they are being treated.

The Department for Food and Rural Affairs admitted that organic farmers were bound by the new regulations but said they could resort to other means, such as antibiotics, without losing their ‘organic’ status if homeopathic remedies proved to be ineffective.

It even emerged that the British government had voted in favour of the new rules.

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Last week The Norwegian Veterinary Association called on their government to begin discussions with the European Union to ensure that only “scientifically documented” therapies are recommended in future.

Vets in Norway have also called on their country’s Food Standards Agency to delay fully implementing the directive in protest at the “ridiculous” guidelines.

“We think it’s totally unacceptable from a scientific point of view because there’s no scientific basis for using homeopathy,” Ellef Blakstad, scientific director of the Norwegian Veterinary Association, adding that the move was “scientifically illiterate”.

“If you start using homeopathy, you prolong the time when the animals are not getting adequate treatment and that’s a threat to animal welfare.”

The Soil Association, one of the leading bodies certifying organic produce in the UK is broadly supportive of homeopathy.

Natasha Collins-Daniel, the Soil Association’s press officer, stressed that while the use of homeopathic treatments was “not mandatory” to gain an organic certification, it could be effective.

“We have significant collective experience from livestock farmers and vets showing that herbal treatments and homeopathic approaches can help them care for their animals,” she said.

Homeopathy has prominent supporters including the Prince of Wales and Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, however in recent years many NHS trusts have stopped funding the treatments, with prescriptions falling by 94 per cent in the last 20 years.

 

neilo

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I do hope @bovine doesn't see this.:rolleyes: I suspect his blood pressure would jump like mine just has.

Although I have seen success from using some homeopathic remedies in the past, the response was so variable that I wouldn't consider delaying 'proper' treatment to try homeopathy first. IMO, we all have a duty of care to our animals, and to delay treatment with proven, effective remedies is reprehensible.
 

llamedos

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Debunking the myth! via Full Facts. https://fullfact.org/factcheck/europe/eu_homeopathy_norwegian_vets-43773


“EU orders Britain’s organic farmers to treat sick animals with homeopathy”—Daily Telegraph, 24 April 2015

For better or worse, homeopathic remedies are certainly promoted in EU organic food standards. But they’re not the only alternative to ordinary medicine, and organic farmers are allowed to call in the vet if ‘natural’ methods don’t work.

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The Telegraph reports of a “new EU directive which came into force in January”. We can’t find any evidence that there is such a directive.

Organic farming rules

The EU says that its laws in this area are about “consumer confidence in products labelled as organic“.

The main EU regulation dealing with organic farming was made in 2007. It says that sick animals can be treated with ordinary medicine, including antibiotics, when the use of more natural remedies is “inappropriate”.

More detailed rules from 2008 list products that should be preferred to medicine and antibiotics “provided that their therapeutic effect is effective”. These include homeopathic products, but also various vitamins and compounds of mineral origin.

If they don’t work, and treatment is needed to prevent the animal from suffering, a vet should be called in.

So the law is quite clear: these approaches should be used in organic farming so long as they work. Animals that receive more than a certain amount of ordinary medicine can’t then be called ‘organic’, though.

The Telegraph has previously reported the government’s Chief Scientific Advisor as saying that “homoeopathy is nonsense”.

Reacting to the law, not the story

The rules are reflected in the responses of those quoted in the Telegraph’s article. The Department for Food and Rural Affairs said, correctly, that farmers “could resort to other means, such as antibiotics, without losing their ‘organic’ status if homeopathic remedies proved to be ineffective”.

A spokesperson for the Norwegian Veterinary Association is quoted as saying that “If you start using homeopathy, you prolong the time when the animals are not getting adequate treatment and that’s a threat to animal welfare.”

That’s perfectly consistent with a situation where homeopathy is among the remedies encouraged, with medical treatment as a fall-back when the animal remains sick.

The evolution of a myth

Hold on. If this has been the case for years, why is it a story now, and why are there Norwegians involved?

Let’s look at the timeline. The Telegraph story was published on the evening of 24 April. On the 23rd, the Daily Mail had published a story on the organic rules as they relate to fish (as opposed to livestock), which date from 2009.



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The Daily Mail, in turn, cites a Norwegian English-language website, The Local, which ran its story earlier the same day. It makes clear that the issue has come up because Norway, which has to take on board a lot of EU laws despite not being a member, is only now getting around to implementing the rules on organic fish. Its vets aren’t happy about the homeopathy element.

The Local references the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, which in its report on 22 April links through to those 2009 rules on organic aquaculture. Dagbladet confirms that they “are not new” (as per Google Translate).

A January 2015 directive?

The Telegraph was specific in its reporting, though. It mentions a “directive” coming into force in January, and includes an extract from it.

There’s no indication in the EU law database that any significant changes to the law went through recently. The EU Official Journal list of new laws in January is heavy on imported fruit and vegetables, but light on new organic regulation.

The organic umbrella group IFOAM EU has a list of EU laws on organic farming on its website, going into 2015. None of them correspond to what the Telegraph have reported.

There are one or two tweaks to the original 2008 regulation that apply from 1 January 2015, which may account for what otherwise seems like an error.

Another explanation is that the article picks up on a rather odd change to the rules in 2014: “homeopathic products” were put back on the list of approved organic treatments, having been “erroneously” removed in a 2012 amendment.

The specific quote

The Telegraph quotes from the supposed directive: “it is a general requirement… for production of all organic livestock that (herbal) and homeopathic products… shall be used in preference to chemically-synthesised allopathic veterinary treatment or antibiotics.”

The underlined part comes from the 2008 rules: “Phytotherapeutic, homoepathic products, trace elements and [vitamins and minerals] shall be used in preference to chemically-synthesized allopathic veterinary treatment or antibiotics, provided that their therapeutic effect is effective for the species of animal, and the condition for which the treatment is intended.”

We can’t locate any document that contains the first half of the Telegraph’s quotation.
 

spin cycle

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hang on....no-one is twisting farmers arms to be organic?....for example i reckon a lot of organic sheep see more fly treatment than a lot of hill sheep...or even sheddars....i think organic livestock keeping is a bit akin to 'hunting with the hounds and running with the fox'
if you want to be organic go without the chems.....if you can't without the animals suffering then use the chems but don't claim to be organic
 
A non story. Headlines don't reflect reality.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85546

I think what North is getting at, is that rules concerning these treatments have been around for decades; under EU rules these treatments were available to organic farmers since 1999, updated 2007 / 2008, but never compulsory. The wording is crucial and they were updated again last year.
This is made plain in his final quote from EU regs (March 2014) :

"disease shall be treated immediately to avoid suffering to the animal; chemically synthesised allopathic veterinary medicinal products including antibiotics may be used where necessary, under strict conditions and under the responsibility of a veterinarian, when the use of phytotherapeutic, homeopathic and other products is inappropriate. "

That, to me, is not 'compulsory use of', in fact just the opposite. But media headlines don't 'do detail' and that is the point.

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JD-Kid

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fork fork fork i had 1000 lt's of wing of bat and eye of dog with a bit of ram pi55 and 2 twigs of willow (3 twigs would be too much unless used on a full moon and spread by broom stick ) brewing to supply the uk farming sector so yer saying the papers got it wrong
 

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