Farm shop in shipping containers

[Phil P]

Lovely for the public and in winter?

Drop down front and Infrared heaters mounted to the containers work great, job sorted

 

[Still Farming]

Drop down front and Infrared heaters mounted to the containers work great, job sorted

Possibly if not worried with veg, fruit and cold didplays etc.

 

[Phil P]

Possibly if not worried with veg, fruit and cold didplays etc.

Turn one container into a fridge unit and the rest for dry goods, I’ve got an answer for everything

 

[Phil P]

Turn one container into a fridge unit and the rest for dry goods, I’ve got an answer for everything

In fact I think I may open a farm shop , then again maybe not

 

[Courier]

Lovely for the public and in winter?

The customer can jump out of their car and quickly choose their veg, throw the cash down into the safe honesty box and bu**er off - No masks needed, no staff costs, keeping the overheads to a minimum, wholesale value of thefts from stock will be less than minimum wage for one person.

 

[Still Farming]

Turn one container into a fridge unit and the rest for dry goods, I’ve got an answer for everything

Will EHO etc etc

 

[Still Farming]

The customer can jump out of their car and quickly choose their veg, throw the cash down into the safe honesty box and bu**er off - No masks needed, no staff costs, keeping the overheads to a minimum, wholesale value of thefts from stock will be less than minimum wage for one person.

Fantastic idea !!!

 

[Phil P]

Will EHO etc etc

Don’t complicate things

 

[Still Farming]

Don’t complicate things

Clarkson didn't but they come after you!

 

[Kidds]

wholesale value of thefts from stock will be less than minimum wage for one person

Hadn't thought of it like that but definitely true.

 

[BobTheSmallholder]

Pretty sure a small building for a farm shop under 30m^2 is allowed without requiring PP as long as it is predominantly selling farm produce.

I helped build such a thing on a farm last year and when a planning guy came around he had a look, asked what we were selling from it and went away happy. This was a proper wooden cabin with doors, windows, hardstanding etc.

 

[TheTallGuy]

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/agricultural-law/farm-shops/

 

[S J H]

There used to be a farm shop nearby Bicester in a farm entrance with a timber framed lodge type building on a drop to the floor lowloader.

I thought it was a brilliant idea, people know when it’s open because it was there, could take it back to restock or use on different sites, and if it all goes wrong it was saleable.

 

[davidroberts30]

The customer can jump out of their car and quickly choose their veg, throw the cash down into the safe honesty box and bu**er off - No masks needed, no staff costs, keeping the overheads to a minimum, wholesale value of thefts from stock will be less than minimum wage for one person.

Or a drive through farm shop

 

[BAC]

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/agricultural-law/farm-shops/

I did read through that but it doesn’t relate to my situation at all. It’s more about converted buildings.

I have asked my planning consultant for advice

 

[tullah]

Moral of the story is what ever you want on the Farm, always explore the possibility of putting it on wheels or skids before running up bills with the jobsworths going into thousands.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Coming in a bit late on this and sorry @BAC I have seen your PM but mad busy at work and home.
I believe there is a misconception in this thread that a buildings permanency is solely down to its construction method. In planning terms it is irrespective of the building has foundations or is on wheels or anything like that - it is all down to the intended use.
If @BAC intends on siting it there for a significant period of time, say more than 6 months then it is a building - there is no fixed timescale in black and white bit 6 months for a container by the roadside would be a good guide I reckon.
So, assuming it is going to have some form of permanency then it will need some form of permission. As I understand it if the farm shop is selling products produced solely on the host holding then it can be considered an agricultural building and then Prior Approval under Part 6 is required just as any other agricultural building. BUT, if it is supplying products produced off site then it needs change of use of the land and full planning permission for a retail unit.
As it is adjacent to a road it would assumably be within 25m of the highway so Part 6 would be a no go anyway so full planning would be needed for the agricultural building anyway.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Moral of the story is what ever you want on the Farm, always explore the possibility of putting it on wheels or skids before running up bills with the jobsworths going into thousands.

Only works if you actually move them. There are cases where field shelters on skids have seen enforcement action because they were never moved.

 

[tullah]

Only works if you actually move them. There are cases where field shelters on skids have seen enforcement action because they were never moved.

How long can a field shelter sit there before being moved and what does move mean?

 

[BAC]

Coming in a bit late on this and sorry @BAC I have seen your PM but mad busy at work and home.
I believe there is a misconception in this thread that a buildings permanency is solely down to its construction method. In planning terms it is irrespective of the building has foundations or is on wheels or anything like that - it is all down to the intended use.
If @BAC intends on siting it there for a significant period of time, say more than 6 months then it is a building - there is no fixed timescale in black and white bit 6 months for a container by the roadside would be a good guide I reckon.
So, assuming it is going to have some form of permanency then it will need some form of permission. As I understand it if the farm shop is selling products produced solely on the host holding then it can be considered an agricultural building and then Prior Approval under Part 6 is required just as any other agricultural building. BUT, if it is supplying products produced off site then it needs change of use of the land and full planning permission for a retail unit.
As it is adjacent to a road it would assumably be within 25m of the highway so Part 6 would be a no go anyway so full planning would be needed for the agricultural building anyway.

that clears it up a lot! Thank you very much George for the clarity on the subject. Did think it was full planning, just didn’t know what I would have to apply for.

With change of use,Is it based on that one area of land? So say a quarter of an acre, is that all that is classed as change of use?