JMTHORNLEY
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Feeding hay right away
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Do the ones that ride them maintain their big fat bums in much the same way ?
I feel your pain... mum and sister are the pain in the arse horse people here but at least they arent paying me so i can tell them to f**k off when they ask me to open anothet bale in june because the stuff uve gone to get them us too dusty ir whatever excuse they find to find fault with it. In december when i have cattle in to eat it anyway fine. But no its june im not opening 3 or 4 round bales for you to use half of ine if them then go off it and have to open another and have opened or half used bales around the bloody shed everywere. Ill pick one bale that looks ok and you will use the whole damn thing or i wont go and get another and your bloody horse can eat grass which it should be doing anyway. And chuck the stuff it wont eat over the fence for the cows not in the muck heap FFS!!!!She's no customer to start with shes me mothers stable girl of 18 years, bloody know all and a real pain in my arse. I've spent my whole life farming around horses and find them 'difficult animals' at the very best of times. They are over fed, under worked and mollycoddled far to much (on our yard at least).
These animals are very light recreational animals as above, not often worked if at all so require very basic feeding. Yet these girls still poor hundreds of pounds a month of corn down there gullets with no real requirement to do so. I've been making the horse fodder on farm for the last six years and it drives me insane at the waste I see and catch, large handfulls simply pulled from the bottom of a hay bar or net and thrown onto the muck pile because it is simply a day old, they just don't make them eat it allCan anyone tell me why this is?
The reason for the post was simply to highlight that these horse type people cannot and will not be told. We have no requirement to feed the bloody stuff yet as we still have some of last years hayledge. I simply finished stacking the bales, grabbed a handful from the centre and walked round to the horse yard to see one of my more favoured donkeys, as I do most evenings, and see if she'd like a handful of this wonderfully smelling hay. Then all hell brakes loose
Can you tell thus happens fairly often here
oakleaf
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A bit different then to your opening post which simply asked for opinions on whether hay needs to be 6 weeks old before feeding.She's no customer to start with shes me mothers stable girl of 18 years, bloody know all and a real pain in my arse. I've spent my whole life farming around horses and find them 'difficult animals' at the very best of times. They are over fed, under worked and mollycoddled far to much (on our yard at least).
These animals are very light recreational animals as above, not often worked if at all so require very basic feeding. Yet these girls still poor hundreds of pounds a month of corn down there gullets with no real requirement to do so. I've been making the horse fodder on farm for the last six years and it drives me insane at the waste I see and catch, large handfulls simply pulled from the bottom of a hay bar or net and thrown onto the muck pile because it is simply a day old, they just don't make them eat it all
The reason for the post was simply to highlight that these horse type people cannot and will not be told. We have no requirement to feed the bloody stuff yet as we still have some of last years hayledge. I simply finished stacking the bales, grabbed a handful from the centre and walked round to the horse yard to see one of my more favoured donkeys, as I do most evenings, and see if she'd like a handful of this wonderfully smelling hay. Then all hell brakes loose
If they are overfed, underworked and mollycoddled it is not the animals fault.
It is hard having to work with know-alls and pain -in-the-arse types whatever walk of life your in.
My advice is to try and rise above it.
Stay friends with the donkey at all costs
Red Fred
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Family horses can be worse than outside horsey girls:
"Jack needs some hay and you promised we would get some this weekend."
'Yep, I've got 40 acres ready to bale this afternoon, I'll bring some back.'
"But he has to have last year's and he only eats that special hay from Farmer Browns, he doesn't like our meadow hay."
So I seriously end up having to go to farmer Browns for 10 bales of skanky old "special"hay when I should be baling our own. And when I get there, old Brown gives me a sly, knowing wink like Shylock from the Merchant of Venice.
"Jack needs some hay and you promised we would get some this weekend."
'Yep, I've got 40 acres ready to bale this afternoon, I'll bring some back.'
"But he has to have last year's and he only eats that special hay from Farmer Browns, he doesn't like our meadow hay."
So I seriously end up having to go to farmer Browns for 10 bales of skanky old "special"hay when I should be baling our own. And when I get there, old Brown gives me a sly, knowing wink like Shylock from the Merchant of Venice.
smj1
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Personally I wouldn't feed newly cut hay to our horses. Plenty do and plenty don't. Colic and laminitis are the main reasons why people don't and if you have ever had a vet to a horse you would no why people err on the side of caution - the charges are horrific. Horses have far more sensitive digestive systems.
Grassman
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Be interesting to hear from someone with facts as to why and IF it affects them. As its been said before if the hay is dry and doesn't heat up in storage I can't see what can be wrong.
There are around 14000 racehorses ‘in training’ in the UK according to the BHA stats. There will be another 1200 or so ‘professional’ horses from which people make a real living.
The rest of the 1 million or so ( no official figure exists) are recreational who have no more than maintence requirement.
Horses biggest and most frequent medical issues are from too much high quality food.
The ‘know all’ horsey types actually know FA and are doing the things they love most a huge disservice from ignorance.
@oakleaf ask them what ‘maintenance’ means, they won’t have a clue, nor will the racehorse ‘trainers’ who feed them like their grandad did.
Interesting that race times haven’t really improved over two centuries, course and distance, in equines but have in humans by about 20% due to training and nutrition. I’d also say animal product (Kg or L) in farming has also improved through nutritional knowledge and understanding per production unit by at least 20% over the last 50 Years.
I work with horsey folk everyday. The poor understanding and myth is astounding.
Sorry for the rant...
The rest of the 1 million or so ( no official figure exists) are recreational who have no more than maintence requirement.
Horses biggest and most frequent medical issues are from too much high quality food.
The ‘know all’ horsey types actually know FA and are doing the things they love most a huge disservice from ignorance.
@oakleaf ask them what ‘maintenance’ means, they won’t have a clue, nor will the racehorse ‘trainers’ who feed them like their grandad did.
Interesting that race times haven’t really improved over two centuries, course and distance, in equines but have in humans by about 20% due to training and nutrition. I’d also say animal product (Kg or L) in farming has also improved through nutritional knowledge and understanding per production unit by at least 20% over the last 50 Years.
I work with horsey folk everyday. The poor understanding and myth is astounding.
Sorry for the rant...
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I'd just like to say my horses don't get to eat new hay either. They can bloody well eat grass or go hungry!
And can we have less of the farmer bashing, please? Saying farmers are difficult to sell to may be true but it is so damnably rude!
And can we have less of the farmer bashing, please? Saying farmers are difficult to sell to may be true but it is so damnably rude!
Oh and Farmers always do as they have agreed to will they
I'd just like to say my horses don't get to eat new hay either. They can bloody well eat grass or go hungry!
And can we have less of the farmer bashing, please? Saying farmers are difficult to sell to may be true but it is so damnably rude!
So why is it OK to slate horsey folks then - because likewise, its so damnably rude - especially when we are not all the same!!!
Grassman
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Nice to see your still alive and kicking!
oakleaf
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I agree with most of what you say but have doubts that racehorse trainers are as much in the dark as you suggest. Maybe they are, but the ones I know and work with certainly dont follow in grandads footsteps . They are young highly professional people who are hungry for information on how to improve their results.
Could just be an area thing though?
In my experience, 10% of farmers are a pain in the arse to deal with, and 90% of horse owners are a pain in the arse to deal with. Maybe it's a generation/ Facebook thing, I don't know. Maybe if I could find some older generation non FB using horse owners it would be better ?Oh and Farmers always do as they have agreed to will they
So why is it OK to slate horsey folks then - because likewise, its so damnably rude - especially when we are not all the same!!!
In my experience, 10% of farmers are a pain in the arse to deal with, and 90% of horse owners are a pain in the arse to deal with. Maybe it's a generation/ Facebook thing, I don't know. Maybe if I could find some older generation non FB using horse owners it would be better ?
People react to how they are treated, and Farmers are not notorious for their open interaction with outsiders of the farming community, so maybe look within as to some of the reasons why things are as they are.
Nearly
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It's July. There's enough nutrition for a dobbin in the bits that they can find on a paddock too bald for cattle to look at.
Feeding hay all summer? Probably give it other feeds too and wonder why its feet are sore.
The family 3* eventing horse gets less than 2 livery ponies on the spot that just plod along with microlight kids on.
Keeps the haylage money coming in and keeps the vet in work. Not much good for the oss.
Feeding hay all summer? Probably give it other feeds too and wonder why its feet are sore.
The family 3* eventing horse gets less than 2 livery ponies on the spot that just plod along with microlight kids on.
Keeps the haylage money coming in and keeps the vet in work. Not much good for the oss.
I bite my tongue with em , oh , we've had some lovely haylage but his lammy has flared up ........... well f**k me I wonder why , it's for working hosses you daft bint not a once a week hack .
I don't say that to them either