Feilding scientist's seed drill a Rolls Royce system

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Feilding soil scientist and inventor Dr John Baker is on a mission to save the world's soils and has created a special machine that has been described as the "Rolls Royce" of direct drill seed machines.

With a turnover of between $3-4 million a year, Baker's cross-slot no-tillage drills are sold in 18 countries and used extensively in the United States, Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom.

As the earth's soil quality diminishes, Baker's drill has been touted by its designer and enthusiastic supporters as a potential saviour.

Recently researchers from the University of Sheffield found that soils under Britain's allotments were significantly healthier than soils that had been intensively farmed. They said the UK had only 100 harvests left in its soil.

United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) predicts the world, on average, has just 60 more years of growing crops left.

Former Agresearch scientist Craig Ross said there were various no-tillage drills but the one Baker has invented - the so-called cross-slot - is a "Rolls Royce" machine because it barely disturbs the soil, leaving the previous harvest's leftover straw in the soil and encouraging worms and micro-organisms.

Baker says New Zealand is not as badly off as other countries because of the use of livestock outdoors, which fertilise soils naturally. However there have been studies to show intensive dairying removes more organic matter from the soil than is replaced, and arable soils have been "markedly" depleted.

Baker said croppers usually burned the previous year's residue vegetation or ploughed it in order to replant. Either way disturbed the soil, leading to carbon loss and loss of micro-organisms.

One of New Zealand's leading wheat growers, David Ward of Ashburton, converted to using the cross-slot drill 10 years ago and has seen organic matter levels climb by up to 50 per cent.

In 1992 the organic matter in his pastures was around 4.5 per cent, and it was only 3 per cent in cropping paddocks.

In 1996 he invested in a cross-slot direct drill. By 2007 organic matter had increased to between 5.6 and 6.1 per cent.

"Increasing soil organic matter makes a farm more resilient. We've improved the soils and improved yields. It's working," Ward said.

Baker said his machine differed from other so-called "no tillage" drills.

"The big mistake is that people thought direct drilling would be the answer to everything but so many direct drills cause so much disturbance of the soil in the process that they might lose three tonnes of organic matter a hectare. We go underneath the residues. If you look at a field afterwards, it's hard to see where we've been," Baker said.

In the case of Ward's farm, if he produces 10-12 tonnes of wheat per ha, he also produces 10-12 tonnes of straw.

"That's organic matter and if you can leave it where it is and it decomposes, that goes back into the soil," Baker says.

For the system to operate effectively, farmers have to use the herbicide Roundup after each harvest.

Baker considers Roundup one of the most benign herbicides because it breaks down very swiftly.

"People can get confused that Monsanto is an evil empire because it led the GM debate and created terminator genes - and to a degree they're right but the one thing they did get right was Roundup. It allows no tillage drilling to work," he says.

The story of how Baker created his drill has as many twists as a thriller.

After 20 years of perfecting the machine, Massey University - for whom he worked - put it on the market in 1986. It was licensed to a US investor but a fraudster tried to take over the new company, and then-chairman Baker was threatened with being "kneecapped".

In the 1990s an Auckland company took over development of the drill, but after a series of calamities Baker finally owned the technology and was able to go into production on his own account.

The 74-year-old has been nominated for the World Food Prize twice for his contributions to improving the quality, quantity or availability of food throughout the world.

The UN General Assembly has declared 2015 as the International Year of Soils.

"The clock is ticking on how many harvests New Zealand has left," Baker said.
 
I was wondering when that article was going attract a response..... Took longer than I thought. I have seen that stuff before and must say it makes me cringe a little.

Nevertheless I don't agree there is 'a lot' of dubious and unproven facts.
 
Everyone has an opinion. IMO, everyone is entitled to draw their own opinion. Baker has his opinion.

Yes of course but he has a platform to push his opinion from. Most others don't so articles like that are dangerous.

It's scarey how little understanding joe public has about food production so them reading that there is only 100 yes left in our soils for producing food is scaremongering and a very narrowed viewpoint.

Soils are millions of years old and have produced for millions of years and they will go in producing for millions of years. The Cross Slot drill and all other drills for that matter are completely irrelevant in the production of food.
 
Everyone has an opinion. IMO, everyone is entitled to draw their own opinion. Baker has his opinion.

Yes of course but he has a platform to push his opinion from. Most others don't so articles like that are dangerous.

It's scarey how little understanding joe public has about food production so them reading that there is only 100 yes left in our soils for producing food is scaremongering and a very narrowed viewpoint.

Soils are millions of years old and have produced for millions of years and they will go in producing for millions of years. The Cross Slot drill and all other drills for that matter are completely irrelevant in the production of food.

I don't think he's helping his cause at all with some of the stuff in that article. I agree with your sentiments regarding the article except for saying that all seed drills are irrelevant. I would suggest that of all the machines used in crop production, no- till drills have the most opportunity to influence yield.

A few others on here won't agree but I think those people don't appreciate the difference between achieving a well established crop in a range of conditions, or just blaming a number of other potential issues for their problems...... Not withstanding that rotation can be important piece of the puzzle.
 
I dont know anything about the UK and western Europe's history with glyphosate, but "here", not that long ago, Round Up, was over 30$ USD for a quart. I'm actually old enough to remember when Round Up first came into production. "Here", it came in a metal 5 gallon can.

I mention this product, because it is mentioned in the opening article. The product has likely more resistance weeds today than any other chemical product. Soon, in many areas, it will be rendered completely useless. If no replacement is approved and available, and for the low price that glyphosate can be purchased today, where will no-till go for weed control?
 

York

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Location
D-Berlin
Yes of course but he has a platform to push his opinion from. Most others don't so articles like that are dangerous.

It's scarey how little understanding joe public has about food production so them reading that there is only 100 yes left in our soils for producing food is scaremongering and a very narrowed viewpoint.

Soils are millions of years old and have produced for millions of years and they will go in producing for millions of years. The Cross Slot drill and all other drills for that matter are completely irrelevant in the production of food.
Before you believe this you should have read
Dave Montgomery - Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations
Paperback, 296 pages, with new preface
ISBN: 9780520272903
April 2012
$24.95
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...search-alias=aps&field-keywords=9780520272903
even as Kindl version.
Or a Youtube:
I'm not discussing the back part - his conclusion. The historic approach is enough and you on the Island should read it as it explains, or at least offers, some interesting views on your agricultural use during your high time of Colonies under your umbrella.
York-Th.
 
Losing Glyphosate;

This issue to me is one of the most worrying because it will make notill very difficult in a lot of situations.

There was thread on here a while ago on living without glyphosate, and it seemed a lot were not worried at all because they thought the appropriate rotation would eliminate its need. While that could be true it is just another option reducing complication that we don't need when trying to work out what to grow in sequence.
 

York

Member
Location
D-Berlin
Losing Glyphosate;

This issue to me is one of the most worrying because it will make notill very difficult in a lot of situations.

There was thread on here a while ago on living without glyphosate, and it seemed a lot were not worried at all because they thought the appropriate rotation would eliminate its need. While that could be true it is just another option reducing complication that we don't need when trying to work out what to grow in sequence.
Dug,
I have no worries at all and quiete a number of people which I'm working with have no worries as they already don't use it. This people are not certified organics which can't use it.
The loss of Glyphosate is not the end of No Till. It might be the end of multiple big corporate farming so. As you are not so easy able to work with a 12 month ahead plan in all aspects of farm management. I describe it as "The true farmer is then needed".
York-Th.
 
Losing Glyphosate;

This issue to me is one of the most worrying because it will make notill very difficult in a lot of situations.

There was thread on here a while ago on living without glyphosate, and it seemed a lot were not worried at all because they thought the appropriate rotation would eliminate its need. While that could be true it is just another option reducing complication that we don't need when trying to work out what to grow in sequence.

One thing none, or rather so very few of the people that are pro rotation as the final means to everything, do not take into consideration, (though they may think they do) is that for a very long time to come, markets will dictate the amount of any given crop to be grown. Not what the no-till farmer needs to grow to make his/her system work.

IMO, and also in many other people's opinions that dont post their thoughts online, the true consequences of many of the chemicals used to make no-till work in many areas, are subdued or repressed by the no-till community.

So though a small handful, and I mean likely the amount you can count on one hand, may say they have made no chem work on their no-till farm, the scope of how far that will go will in fact, be determined by markets. One or two farmers every here and there dont even slightly effect the supply and demand. Therefore it is easy to say that rotation will over take the need for glyphsate or any other herbicide they choose to eliminate. But on a global, or even regional scale, if there is no market for the needed rotation,...............then what?
 
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Cambridge
Pretty amusing that the article lists David Ward as the example. He's a great farmer but

A) is very clear that he considers his drill to just be a part of the system, not the reason why it is successful

B) does not consider straw burning to be detrimental to soil health or OM building
 
Pretty amusing that the article lists David Ward as the example. He's a great farmer but

A) is very clear that he considers his drill to just be a part of the system, not the reason why it is successful

B) does not consider straw burning to be detrimental to soil health or OM building[/QUOTE

Both your points are true, but in the context of using him as an example, what's so amusing?..... I'd have thought in agriculture it wasn't uncommon for a systems success to be due to more than one factor.
 
Location
Cambridge
The article is about how CS will save the world because it's unique. It then lists as an example of this a farmer who will happily say the drill has little to do with it.

There are some numbers about how David has increased his SOM (after buying a CS), and shortly afterwards there's a quote saying that the residue is left on the surface so it can go back into the soil. But it neglects to mention that in this model farm the residues are often burnt, not left in place!

I find this amusing - you may not.
 

combineguy

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Location
New Zealand
The article is about how CS will save the world because it's unique. It then lists as an example of this a farmer who will happily say the drill has little to do with it.

There are some numbers about how David has increased his SOM (after buying a CS), and shortly afterwards there's a quote saying that the residue is left on the surface so it can go back into the soil. But it neglects to mention that in this model farm the residues are often burnt, not left in place!

I find this amusing - you may not.

Hi David

Nothing like a Cross Slot discussion, there haven't been many on here over the past few months.

1. If David does not consider the Cross Slot as an integral part of his system why does he still run a Cross Slot and why would he continue to buy them, if other drills on the market do the same job?

2. Residue is probably burnt as part of rotation especially when going into small seed crops
 
Location
Cambridge
Hi David

Nothing like a Cross Slot discussion, there haven't been many on here over the past few months.

1. If David does not consider the Cross Slot as an integral part of his system why does he still run a Cross Slot and why would he continue to buy them, if other drills on the market do the same job?

2. Residue is probably burnt as part of rotation especially when going into small seed crops
I have zero interest in discussing why someone else may or may not think in a particular way - you're best off asking him. Here's what I wrote about my visit to him last year

Day Eight
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
There's alot of peiple buying cross slots off the back of Recent articles and nuffields, some of these people I am sure are convinced it's the drill that makes the system not the education, research and mindset that goes into making these systems work. Some will do make it succeed and some will fail miserably and then blame the drill. Hopefully get a cross slot half price in 2 years time!
 

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