Fitting in-line slug pelleter on 6m 750a

[Ravestar]

Trust me when I say in a lot of conditions seeing that mark is nearly impossible in daylight. In the dark with the amount of shadows coming off that drill, good luck

 

[Feldspar]

Trust me when I say in a lot of conditions seeing that mark is nearly impossible in daylight. In the dark with the amount of shadows coming off that drill, good luck

I wonder if you'll forgive me for not being totally familiar with a drill that I don't even own yet. However, having spoken to a person who has far more experience with the drill than even you have, they manage to drill the headlands without markers and without using GPS. Maybe you're not as good an operator as you think you are? Forgive the rudeness, but I'm only returning the favour.

 

[Ravestar]

Is that a 6m? What sort of Gps are you looking at that doesn't do headlands? And no I'm probably no where near as good an operator as I think I am, but who cares?! Another thing for you to ponder would be tractor hydraulic flow, what tractor will you be running it on?

 

[DaveM]

Is that a 6m? What sort of Gps are you looking at that doesn't do headlands? And no I'm probably no where near as good an operator as I think I am, but who cares?! Another thing for you to ponder would be tractor hydraulic flow, what tractor will you be running it on?

I think it's going on my Deutz 9340 and that has, if I remember correctly, 210 L/min available

 

[Feldspar]

I think it's going on my Deutz 9340 and that has, if I remember correctly, 210 L/min available

No, we didn't think that would pull it. Did I forget to mention the new Quadtrack?

 

[Feldspar]

Is that a 6m? What sort of Gps are you looking at that doesn't do headlands? And no I'm probably no where near as good an operator as I think I am, but who cares?! Another thing for you to ponder would be tractor hydraulic flow, what tractor will you be running it on?

I think even with my paltry drilling skills that I could see how to do headlands in these situations:

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At the moment we have a Agco branded Autoguide 3000 system which has Omnistar and which runs through the Datatronic screen. This would be tolerable for the middle of the field. It doesn't, however, do headlands and headland curves quite so easily, particularly as it doesn't have a mapping feature. Our Topcon RTK guidance system with an X30 screen would work perfectly, but this is tied up on the sprayer nearly all of the year. The question is whether it is worth buying (or is necessary to buy) another one of these systems (and a not inconsiderable cost, as I'm sure you're aware given you seem to have one on your MF) just to solve the headland problem.

We'll run the drill on a mixture of MF7624s and 7620s which I understand should be fine from a hydraulic flow point of view.

Lastly, I don't actually care how good an operator you are, but I do take umbrage at people being needlessly rude.

 

[DaveM]

No, we didn't think that would pull it. Did I forget to mention the new Quadtrack?

Electric / pedal / or does it sit on the mantle-piece?

 

[Darren]

I wonder if you'll forgive me for not being totally familiar with a drill that I don't even own yet. However, having spoken to a person who has far more experience with the drill than even you have, they manage to drill the headlands without markers and without using GPS. Maybe you're not as good an operator as you think you are? Forgive the rudeness, but I'm only returning the favour.

Once the operator has got used to it, headlands without GPs or markers shouldn't be a problem. I do quite a bit with our horsch, lots of tree shading, bendy headlands and temperamental gps

 

[Clive]

Hadn't thought of that. Do you think you need GPS to steer the headlands if you don't have marker arms, or can a good man do it? I imagine it slightly depends on whether you're going into bare ground or a cover crop. If the drill has rolled down a cover crop I imagine it's not too hard.

we do use GPS on headlands but my operator can do it manually if required

don't think we ever unfolded the markers on our 4m in time we had it, 6m ordered without them and we took them off the `Co6

very old fashioned idea the drill marker !

 

[Ravestar]

I think even with my paltry drilling skills that I could see how to do headlands in these situations:

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At the moment we have a Agco branded Autoguide 3000 system which has Omnistar and which runs through the Datatronic screen. This would be tolerable for the middle of the field. It doesn't, however, do headlands and headland curves quite so easily, particularly as it doesn't have a mapping feature. Our Topcon RTK guidance system with an X30 screen would work perfectly, but this is tied up on the sprayer nearly all of the year. The question is whether it is worth buying (or is necessary to buy) another one of these systems (and a not inconsiderable cost, as I'm sure you're aware given you seem to have one on your MF) just to solve the headland problem.

We'll run the drill on a mixture of MF7624s and 7620s which I understand should be fine from a hydraulic flow point of view.

Lastly, I don't actually care how good an operator you are, but I do take umbrage at people being needlessly rude.

We have the autoguide 3000 which does do headlands. But you are right mapping is a issue. If your drilling tractor as the larger pump you should be good. Found the standard 7624 hydraulics lacking with speed on the lifting and lowering of the coulters

I never claimed to be a good operator just telling you how it is from the seat. In 2+ft cover crops no problem, but it's not all like this as I'm sure you realise.

As for being rude, your doing a nice little job yourself.

 

[Feldspar]

We have the autoguide 3000 which does do headlands. But you are right mapping is a issue. If your drilling tractor as the larger pump you should be good. Found the standard 7624 hydraulics lacking with speed on the lifting and lowering of the coulters

I never claimed to be a good operator just telling you how it is from the seat. In 2+ft cover crops no problem, but it's not all like this as I'm sure you realise.

As for being rude, your doing a nice little job yourself.

We have the 110 l/min pumps rather than the 150 l/min. Do you run the fan through one of the electric spools and cut the flow down using the limiter in the Datatronic screen? That was what I did with the Mzuri and the lift and lower seemed fine. Spoke to Simon Chiles about this and had not heard of people having problems assuming they limited the flow to the fan to avoid dumping excess oil back through the free-flow return.

@Tractor Boy - how have you got on with your drill and your Massey?

 

[Tractor Boy]

I haven't used it on the 7618 yet but on an older 6499 I run the fan on continuous on a manual lever spool with the external dial turned right down to give about 4500rpm. I then use the joystick electric spools for lift/lower on full flow continuous and the other on restricted for markers. The lift/lower is no problem and the fan rpm only slightly drops as the coulters engage.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

7620 on mine. 150 l/m pump , no issues with oil flow. Gangs up and down quite quickly. Only thing with constant flow is you have to double tap the spool (once to take it out of constant pumping in one direction-then again to engage the opposite direction. It's alright when you get used to it. I don't have the multi pad joy stick, just the cross gate handle, and the biggest issue i find with running the fan through one of these with the lift and lower in the other one , is that it is very easy to accidently disengage the fan. I used to run the fan through the cable remotes but found the fan speed would alter by itself to much and opening the back window to adjust the speed in a very dusty paddock also gains you a tonne of free dirt in the cab As regards to headlands . Pretty easy to see where you have been and if not with the x30 either have a new ab line for them or when you have finished the paddock switch from ab lines to coverage mapping line and it will follow besides where you have been perfectly regardless of field shape

Feldspar, if your not really using your sprayer at the same time as your seeder i would look at getting a wiring harness in the Massey and just swap the screen over.

 

[Feldspar]

Thanks very much for the above replies - some very useful advice.

Just working through tyre pressures on the tractor. What weight does the drill put through the link arms when fully loaded?

 

[Feldspar]

7620 on mine. 150 l/m pump , no issues with oil flow. Gangs up and down quite quickly. Only thing with constant flow is you have to double tap the spool (once to take it out of constant pumping in one direction-then again to engage the opposite direction. It's alright when you get used to it. I don't have the multi pad joy stick, just the cross gate handle, and the biggest issue i find with running the fan through one of these with the lift and lower in the other one , is that it is very easy to accidently disengage the fan. I used to run the fan through the cable remotes but found the fan speed would alter by itself to much and opening the back window to adjust the speed in a very dusty paddock also gains you a tonne of free dirt in the cab As regards to headlands . Pretty easy to see where you have been and if not with the x30 either have a new ab line for them or when you have finished the paddock switch from ab lines to coverage mapping line and it will follow besides where you have been perfectly regardless of field shape

Feldspar, if your not really using your sprayer at the same time as your seeder i would look at getting a wiring harness in the Massey and just swap the screen over.

We already have a wiring harness in one 7620 for the X30. We did swap the guidance unit out of the sprayer into the combine when we still had a Massey combine because the sprayer was fairly quiet then. Even that didn't work that well because the sprayer was still working on and off through harvest. I think drilling in the autumn would work even less well with pre-ems and stubble burn downs happening at the same time as drilling. Will probably have to bite the bullet and get another unit, although we will probably try the Autoguide 3000 receiver over harvest to see how usable / unusable that is before deciding. I have been pretty disappointed with Omnistar as a signal this spring so we'll have to see.

 

[Ravestar]

Have it on a manual spool with the flow turned right down on the back, doing it this way is the best we have found so far with 4 different tractors (2x7618 and 2x7624) just got a 7724 with bigger pump but haven't tried it yet. The demo 3m we had was no problem on a 7618 this way.

Realised it was tractor flow related when we had a fendt 828 (large pump) and that was lightning quick. It's not unusable by any means but checking your ins and outs would be recommended when you start drilling. It's quite deceiving when your putting the drill into work how long it takes to come down properly.

 

[Louis Mc]

We already have a wiring harness in one 7620 for the X30. We did swap the guidance unit out of the sprayer into the combine when we still had a Massey combine because the sprayer was fairly quiet then. Even that didn't work that well because the sprayer was still working on and off through harvest. I think drilling in the autumn would work even less well with pre-ems and stubble burn downs happening at the same time as drilling. Will probably have to bite the bullet and get another unit, although we will probably try the Autoguide 3000 receiver over harvest to see how usable / unusable that is before deciding. I have been pretty disappointed with Omnistar as a signal this spring so we'll have to see.

Can you run the drill through this screen or are you buying a greenstar display?

 

[Ravestar]

It will run through the datatronic screen fine

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Could you run an x20 in the sprayer and use the 30 in the Massey. Bit cheaper option. As for weight on linkage, a lot! They're a heavy drill. I keep tyre pressures up to avoid sidewall cracking.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Will probably have to bite the bullet and get another unit, although we will probably try the Autoguide 3000 receiver over harvest to see how usable / unusable that is before deciding. I have been pretty disappointed with Omnistar as a signal this spring so we'll have to see.

Is Omnistar much cheaper than RTK? I've been waiting for a compatible RTK signal before jumping in with the extra kit.