Getting old agricultural vehicles/machinery deregistered re VOSA/road use

[Shetlandsheep]

We have several things that are registered with VOSA - they came like that, but we don't take them off the farm and the insurance will only cover them if they aren't road registered. There's an old JD tractor, a very slow quad, a JCB and a Landy converted to take an IBC on the back.

Does anyone know how we do this and the possible implications, costs etc if any? Can't find anything about how to do it on the VOSA website, only about registering things.

Thanks guys!

 

[llamedos]

Either take your ins cert&V5 along with a letter and if possible a map of the land you will use the vehicles on to your DVLA office or send them in. You can travel 1.5 miles on roads between land occupied, so if several parcels a map of each showing roads travelled are only this distance apart . Covering letter to say you wish to de register from road fund licence.
They have to be insured, but MOT not necessary, but should still be road worthy.

 

[Shetlandsheep]

Thankyou for that. They are just SORNed and they stay on the property, no parcels elsewhere. They dont have any insurance - is that required for SORNEd agricultural vehicles, we've never had any reminders or fines for any of them?

 

[Shetlandsheep]

Thankyou for that. They are just SORNed and they stay on the property, no parcels elsewhere. They dont have any insurance - is that required for SORNEd agricultural vehicles, we've never had any reminders or fines for any of them?

And would they need to be roadworthy, the whole point is we are wanting to confirm that they will never be used on a road?

 

[llamedos]

And would they need to be roadworthy, the whole point is we are wanting to confirm that they will never be used on a road?

being under SORN is a different thing, sorry I misunderstood. Why do you need to register them as anything else if they are sorned? If you take off the SORN and then re register as AG vehicles then they DO require insurance, .

 

[Shetlandsheep]

Only because we were looking to get smallholding insurance including these things and the other agric kit and the insurers say they can only cover them under the policy if they aren't road registered, so I thought I would have to somehow deregister them as they have V5s and we SORN them. Have I got the wrong end of the stick do you think? (it's possible!) )

 

[llamedos]

Only because we were looking to get smallholding insurance including these things and the other agric kit and the insurers say they can only cover them under the policy if they aren't road registered, so I thought I would have to somehow deregister them as they have V5s and we SORN them. Have I got the wrong end of the stick do you think? (it's possible!) )

I think your insurer will mean Ag registered, but to get this they need to be insured on a motor policy to start with! We now have "continuous" insurance, and this requires any vehicle which is driven has to have a policy, you can not tax an un insured vehicle.
Ag registered, still has to be road worthy, lights indicators etc, and you are still sent a Tax disc, with Nil road fund licence.Can travel up to 1.5 miles on a public road between parcels of land under your occupation. Not the same as a normal levy of road fund licence and no MOT required, But must still be roadworthy & insured!
SORN is statutory off road notice, no insurance, no mot, no tax, no use for anything other than on the field work.Cant travel at all on a public road.
I doubt you will be allowed to go from SORN to Ag reg', it will be assumed the vehicles are not roadworthy.

I think you may be on a hiding to know where.

 

[Bloders]

inform dvla they have been scrapped - that way, they cannot go on the road.
is that what you need?

 

[llamedos]

inform dvla they have been scrapped - that way, they cannot go on the road.
is that what you need?

They are trying to get them insured! can you insure scrapped vehicles?

 

[Shetlandsheep]

Thanks everyone, really useful explanations. I think we might have to stick with the SORN, and not be able to insure them, since saying they are scrapped wouldn't be true (and I'm not good with ducking and diving with officialdom) and I don't think it would be worth 'upgrading' them to ag vehicle status.

 

[Bloders]

its only scrapped in the eyes of dvla?

would imagine you can isure a mobile device for on carm use. think of dumpers and the like which have never been near dvla. scrapping simply removes them from the dvla database

 

[llamedos]

its only scrapped in the eyes of dvla?

would imagine you can isure a mobile device for on carm use. think of dumpers and the like which have never been near dvla. scrapping simply removes them from the dvla database

You now need a ticket from the scrappy! and the scrappy has to send a ticket in. Had the fine for that one

 

[Bloders]

live and learn. ive just filled the v5 in previously and that was the end of it.
not sure how tto remove a vehicle from dvla database then.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

It's very simple the vehicles are each declared SORN as has been noted above and that's it, end of. No need for any of the complexity or other bull about scrapping them. They are covered under your farm insurance policy, as any other piece of kit, just can't be driven on road, but the OP doesn't want to do that anyway.

No other action required, rest easy. Was a fun read through though

 

[Mad Farmer]

SORN- Statutory Off Road Notification. They are already registered as of road so nothing more to do.
Cannot believe that you can not insure them.. Lots of very expensive vintage cars are Sorned and are still insured for fire and theft.

 

[Shetlandsheep]

I think I will go back to the insurer concerned and see if they can tell me exactly what sort of registeration/classification they are asking for cos at the moment it doesn't look as if there is such a thing other than the SORN they have at the moment! NB they are an insurer who generally gets good feedback on forums like this so am finding it a bit frustrating

 

[roscoe erf]

i just send the log book off and tick scrapped or permanently exported never asked for any other documents did one a couple of months ago.

 

[Lincsman]

A sorn will mean it wont be going on the road, so wont that do?... you may want to sell it later and will need it registered.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

If the vehicles are SORN. Its done and dusted folks, end of. Just call Greenlands or NFU or whoever you're insured with and explain the situation.

No need to jump through other hoops, or do something illegal like declaring it scrapped, when its clearly not.

 

[Shetlandsheep]

At the moment they aren't insured, but as we've built up more stuff, I thought it would be a good idea if they were. I approached F&M first, we have stuff with NFU but they seem to think we can't insure the farm stuff unless we transfer the home insurance to them too, and I'm not sure how competitive they will be. Might try some others like Greenlands I think. OH thinks theres no point insuring the kit (we are in a v low crime area and nowhere near any roads and have very watchful farmer neighbours downstream watching anyone coming close), he thinks we should just put the premiums in a pot for replacing stuff if it goes.

We're prob only talking 30-40k of kit.