Habitat Wales Scheme was Glastir Advanced

[Foregoneconclusion]

I was doing mine this arvo whilst listening to the minister taking questions in the siambr.

This popped up on my screen..!

Her responses flew in the face of reality and were at times insulting and petulant..

I have yet to see a more ingognizant person at the senedd.

And that is saying something.

 

[Al R]

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I was doing mine this arvo whilst listening to the minister taking questions in the siambr.

This popped up on my screen..!

Her responses flew in the face of reality and were at times insulting and petulant..

I have yet to see a more ingognizant person at the senedd.

And that is saying something.

Did you see the same speech I saw a snippet of saying going forward there will be no funding and also no organic payments… what stick are they going to try and beat us with I have no idea? Slurry ban? Does that count if your not claiming subsidies anymore

 

[Foregoneconclusion]

Did you see the same speech I saw a snippet of saying going forward there will be no funding and also no organic payments… what stick are they going to try and beat us with I have no idea? Slurry ban? Does that count if your not claiming subsidies anymore

During questions session day before yesterday she was asked about organic payments. She said words to the effect of that she was aware of the gap and had asked her team to find a solution. Then went on to indicate she'd found some money ..

Sennedd tv. You can review all the sessions should you wish..

There was a question about slurry spreading and that induced a few minutes of self congratulatory oratory..She pretty much brushed aside the suggestion that in the meantime dwr cymru etc continue to pump raw sewage into the sea etc without consequences.

I'd forgotten what poor quality folk we have making decisions for us. .

 

[Bald Rick]

Must be getting desperate !
Never been in glasdir or even thought of being, but got this email this afternoon !
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So did we .... for grade 2 land.

Welsh Gov are barking

 

[Bald Rick]

And as a codicil, if WG had any sense they'd offer production subsidies to grade 1,2 and 3a land 200ft or less below sea level that is non LFA ... £1000/ha seems reasonable to me

 

[Yale]

And as a codicil, if WG had any sense they'd offer production subsidies to grade 1,2 and 3a land 200ft or less below sea level that is non LFA ... £1000/ha seems reasonable to me

I was only thinking the other day how upland farmers used to receive the HLCA (hill livestock compensatory allowance, iirc). This was a useful addition for us to keep up with maintaining a more extensive area, things like fences etc. We have lived without environmental payments however it’s going to come as a shock to some Welsh farmers who were getting a nice juicy Glastir/Tir Gofal cheque.

I commented that habitat Wales scheme is wanting champagne outcomes on a beer budget.

At this rate it wont buy the crisps!

 

[Pistonbroke]

I was only thinking the other day how upland farmers used to receive the HLCA (hill livestock compensatory allowance, iirc). This was a useful addition for us to keep up with maintaining a more extensive area, things like fences etc. We have lived without environmental payments however it’s going to come as a shock to some Welsh farmers who were getting a nice juicy Glastir/Tir Gofal cheque.

I commented that habitat Wales scheme is wanting champagne outcomes on a beer budget.

At this rate it wont buy the crisps!

The danger is that nobody takes up the scheme because of the rumours about tying up land forever. Then they sit around a table and decide that we obviously don't need the money that bad and allocate it to some stupid new speed limit regs or free transgender ops etc. Different priorities

 

[Yale]

The danger is that nobody takes up the scheme because of the rumours about tying up land forever. Then they sit around a table and decide that we obviously don't need the money that bad and allocate it to some stupid new speed limit regs or free transgender ops etc. Different priorities

They have already raided the pillar 2 fund apparently so there will be less funds available for the small grants efficiency scheme etc. Everyone’s business are different but I know I am not going to take a paltry sum to devalue my land by designating it permanently as habitat. No ploughing, no improvement, no cropping ever.
Hopefully farmers will read the small print and realise they are being slowly nationalised.

 

[Bald Rick]

I was only thinking the other day how upland farmers used to receive the HLCA (hill livestock compensatory allowance, iirc). This was a useful addition for us to keep up with maintaining a more extensive area, things like fences etc. We have lived without environmental payments however it’s going to come as a shock to some Welsh farmers who were getting a nice juicy Glastir/Tir Gofal cheque.

I commented that habitat Wales scheme is wanting champagne outcomes on a beer budget.

At this rate it wont buy the crisps!

Yes and you lot used that money to bring your mangy sheep to the Sainted Isle and spread noxious diseases around. FFS Snowdon farms bought a new farm every year on the back of their cheques.

FWIW, I actually do think if WG had their heads screwed on they would be supporting the better land with production subsidies and the poorer stuff with environmental money. There is little enough industry in Wales as it is

 

[Yale]

Yes and you lot used that money to bring your mangy sheep to the Sainted Isle and spread noxious diseases around. FFS Snowdon farms bought a new farm every year on the back of their cheques.

FWIW, I actually do think if WG had their heads screwed on they would be supporting the better land with production subsidies and the poorer stuff with environmental money. There is little enough industry in Wales as it is

I fully agree with your point regarding the hill farmers being ‘feather bedded‘, paid to conserve land that was never going to change or be improved. We have a well known farmer from Snowdonia who rents the next door 700 acre farm. It cannot pay him by the way he farms it, commuting over 50 miles one way most days. This is where payments have been spent through gifting a select few huge financial resources.

So yes, we have the same issues locally however the schemes haven’t benefitted upland farms with fridd pasture. We are even worse off, disadvantaged land and disadvantaged by not having extensive suitable habitat.

 

[neilo]

Yes and you lot used that money to bring your mangy sheep to the Sainted Isle and spread noxious diseases around. FFS Snowdon farms bought a new farm every year on the back of their cheques.

FWIW, I actually do think if WG had their heads screwed on they would be supporting the better land with production subsidies and the poorer stuff with environmental money. There is little enough industry in Wales as it is

I regularly read on here, usually posted by those on smaller farms with more marginal dirt, that those with big farms and better soils (so most arable and dairy units?), shouldn’t be getting any support as they don’t need it. So you can stick that in your pipe and set light to it like a handful of damp Autumn leaves.


Envy is a green eyed monster.

 

[Tractor cymru]

What a lot don't realise is, if they don't join in to the new scheme once the bps has finished next year, they believe that they can do what they want as they can't be fined on the bps. The welsh government however are creating new laws through the new agricultural act that will mean then that you'll be breaking the law and end up in court rather than a reduction on your bps payment.
Why they are trying to kill the industry I'm not sure!

 

[d williams]

What a lot don't realise is, if they don't join in to the new scheme once the bps has finished next year, they believe that they can do what they want as they can't be fined on the bps. The welsh government however are creating new laws through the new agricultural act that will mean then that you'll be breaking the law and end up in court rather than a reduction on your bps payment.
Why they are trying to kill the industry I'm not sure!

Then there will be a revolution

 

[Still Farming]

Their'll round you up with a" carrot", as usual ,once caught, you be shafted again.

 

[Yale]

I regularly read on here, usually posted by those on smaller farms with more marginal dirt, that those with big farms and better soils (so most arable and dairy units?), shouldn’t be getting any support as they don’t need it. So you can stick that in your pipe and set light to it like a handful of damp Autumn leaves.


Envy is a green eyed monster.

As a fact dairy farms never used to be subsidised until area payments. There were support mechanisms which led to the milk lakes then quotas.

You can probably add to that.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Then there will be a revolution

A lot of the rules that we can be penalized for through the payments are also liable to fines through animal health ,rspca, trading standards,NRW,County Council etc. The knobs that voted for brexit on the premise that we could all go ferral and do whatever we want are the same ones that think the same will happen if they don't claim bps or equivalent.

 

[Al R]

What a lot don't realise is, if they don't join in to the new scheme once the bps has finished next year, they believe that they can do what they want as they can't be fined on the bps. The welsh government however are creating new laws through the new agricultural act that will mean then that you'll be breaking the law and end up in court rather than a reduction on your bps payment.
Why they are trying to kill the industry I'm not sure!

They can’t prosecute anyone for pollution with the way welsh water are polluting

 

[Tractor cymru]

You would think so, but it's the welsh assembly we're talking about!

 

[neilo]

I have to make a confession. I have just filled in my EoI, so they now have 501 in. I have a dose of land that is already categorised as 'habitat', so they might as well pay a bit for that.

 

[bracken basher]

According to Lesley Griffiths 1600 have signed up!

Welsh Government's agricultural support scheme criticised

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