Hgv as a tractor

[Cowcalf]

I was of the opinion that a agric tractor cannot carry a load as it a towing vehicle, also you can have a fifth wheel on a tractor but it has to be incapable of pulling off the shelf semi trailer, ie the trailer must have been specially built or adapted to suit, via gooseneck type of coupling

 

[Blue.]

What's the law regarding the likes of xerions towing via a gooseneck?

I can't see it as any different.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Register it as AG and run it on red, I think its as simple as that. No tachograph needed under 100km distance away. Not sure on the ag tyres bit though.

I think that would be restricted to movements of 1.5km between your own blocks of land.

 

[Rs chunk]

I think that would be restricted to movements of 1.5km between your own blocks of land.

The 1.5km is for a limited licence we have a old Isuzu trooper on it the ag licence on the tractors are differen not sure what the limit is meant to be on tractor but it's a lot more

 

[Cab-over Pete]

My brother I law runs a lorry on red fuel, no mot and free tax.

It's limited to the 1.5 km.

Any more and all the other laws apply.

 

[Rs chunk]

My brother I law runs a lorry on red fuel, no mot and free tax.

It's limited to the 1.5 km.

Any more and all the other laws apply.

What class is it taxed as? Ag or limited or something else. There seems to be so many rules out there no one knows what's right not even the men in yellow jackets in lay byes know.

 

[Hesston4860s]

How about !

http://www.starlingagriculture.com/products/chasers/dennis-trastaker-lorry-LFzMFf

 

[Rs chunk]

How about !

http://www.starlingagriculture.com/products/chasers/dennis-trastaker-lorry-LFzMFf

Is that a old bin lorry

 

[Blue.]

How about !

http://www.starlingagriculture.com/products/chasers/dennis-trastaker-lorry-LFzMFf

That would do me I could put a tipper body on it and vinyl wrap it to look like straw.

 

[Sheep]

I think that would be restricted to movements of 1.5km between your own blocks of land.

Read it again, you're right. To qualify under the 100km rule, the lorry must be designed/constructed for off-road use (ag tyres), probably making it uneconomic.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

What class is it taxed as? Ag or limited or something else. There seems to be so many rules out there no one knows what's right not even the men in yellow jackets in lay byes know.

I'm not entirely sure what the class is.

Your second point is entirely what I'm saying. The powers that be don't know the law so I don't know how they expect us to run within the law. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one in the dock defending my actions on the advice of some yellow-coat who was sacked for not doing his job the week after he advised me it was ok.

The best and most common answer I've had from some of these people is "Well, I think you'll be ok....I think" . That's not good enough for me.

 

[Morph]

Years ago went on an exchange visit east midlands ish farm running steel tracked cats and artic deeres also ran artic tippers on ag tyres and a plate blocking off higher gears the trucks were 2 axle units and 2 axle trailers. Have laws changed since then? 1990 or thereabouts.

 

[Cowcalf]

Years ago went on an exchange visit east midlands ish farm running steel tracked cats and artic deeres also ran artic tippers on ag tyres and a plate blocking off higher gears the trucks were 2 axle units and 2 axle trailers. Have laws changed since then? 1990 or thereabouts.

When I looked into it I would have to limit speed to 20mph as it would only have a SVA (or similar) and to get Fast tractor status would require a safety cab and crash testing etc etc.
Still worth doing to get big HP and strong transmission for small money, one problem is although I want to reduce gearing/ top speed by putting agric tyres on will actually raise the gearing and speed. A lower diff would really improve the outfit

 

[Ray]

Biggest problem with a converted HGV to an ag tractor would be the absence of ROPS which would be a legal requirement if I'm not mistaken.

 

[NZ SPUD]

@warksfarmer

I wouldn't bother if I were you. I was looking into it about a year ago and seriously trying to make the MAN truck spreader work for me but gave up. Everyone from VOSA, DVLA, Mercedes, MAN and the NAAC traffic advisor had different opinions, and no one will put anything in writing. The NAAC chap was very good and it was him that caused me to give up.

It's a bloody minefield of grey areas and whilst someone will tell you it's ok I could never be 100% happy using this type of vehicle myself, let alone ask someone to drive it for me.

Pound to a penny, when you're in court because someone has been hurt on the road by your vehicle, the bloke who told you it would be legal won't be anywhere to be seen.

You won't save anything in tyres, very little in diesel and hardly anything in time unless you're going over 20 miles per trip. If you had a lorry and a Fastrac following each other, the lorry would get there first but the Fastrac would be at the field before the lorry driver has got the gate open.

Lifted from an Australian spreader builders Facebook page.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Oooohhhhh.....

I would love one of those. Except they are stupid money and run on bicycle wheels.

If I won the lottery I'd drive around in one just for fun!

 

[Spud]

Sounds good. All I want to do is buy a rigid flatbed and trailer to carry about 15t of straw which is from our own fields.

Is this to cart straw from field to your farm, or for delivery to customers? Lorries in fields = bad idea. For not much more than 5 grand you can buy a very good 33' trailer to go on a tractor you can put a loader on and the operator is in comfort zone, not breaking speed records in a truck he isnt familiar with, attracting vosa, or getting stuck every five minutes. The trailer will also require lots less maintenance than the truck, which, at £5000, will have its share of problems. No one ever sells a truck at that end of the market because its a good un. (Most of ours go to get a suntan when they leave here, usually with 1million+km's)

 

[SillyPhily]

Oooohhhhh.....

I would love one of those. Except they are stupid money and run on bicycle wheels.

If I won the lottery I'd drive around in one just for fun!

When i was over in kiwi land there were a variety of these some x2 axel on rear and most like above, almost sure some were dual wheel on rear, normally had a towable trailer for extra fert just some were 'warey'. Normally a big bredal or custom spreader body that can demount and put an aluminium tub on rear for bulk stuff iirc? Normally from SE Asia/japan builds as Euro gear out there is silly money. They had all the varrie rate toys etc, makes alot of sense for them and could for us i would reckon.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Yes, great machines no doubt, but the tyres you can get under them just aren't big enough.

 

[NZ SPUD]

How about 10 tyres?