Loch Neagh, Northern Iron

dave78+

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Same as anything, you need to know what's causing a problem before you can make a meaningful attempt at fixing it.

And no one seems to actually know.

The blooms appearing late June were understandable, it had been very warm, very sunny, and river levels were low.

But river levels from mid-July on have been way above normal, it's been cool and dull, yet it seems as bad as ever.
Something like sap falling from overhanging trees and bushes might be the culprit. However, such items have always fallen into waters without much of an adverse effect. The increase of heat from the Sun might cause chemical-laden seeds to be converted to more toxic substances. Farmers have been spraying their stuff for a long time before such a form of water pollution had become evident.
 

yoki

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Something like sap falling from overhanging trees and bushes might be the culprit. However, such items have always fallen into waters without much of an adverse effect. The increase of heat from the Sun might cause chemical-laden seeds to be converted to more toxic substances. Farmers have been spraying their stuff for a long time before such a form of water pollution had become evident.
Unlikely here.

The main catchment areas for Lough Neagh are primarily livestock areas.

If anything I'd say the cultivated land within them has fallen since farms became less diverse.
 

dave78+

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Out of interest, Bala lake also suffers from blue green … and that’s mainly surrounded by sheep and caravans


Happens most years
Seeds of all sorts could remain submerged in water for evermore until there is an increase of temperature enough to cause germination. There has been a few years when a lack of cloud cover will have enable an increase of water temperature and the germination to occur.
 

Limcrazy

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It's pretty simple to calculated on what livestock you have along with how much fertiliser you buy.

That's what happens here anyway
Then you find a guy with a mountain or arable land somewhere, do a paper land rent or export exercise and bobs your uncle.
 
Considering that this hasn't come out of nowhere, there's been concern about rising phosphate levels in the lough for a good number of years now, it's pretty poor that there's been no attempt whatsoever to routinely sample the water flowing in to the lough.

It's fed by six major rivers, Maine, Upper Bann, Six Mile Water, Moyola, Blackwater, Ballinderry. Given the millions wasted on NGO's around the Lough who plainly do absolutely nothing to help it in any way, it shouldn't be beyond the scope of the public purse to take a weekly sample for each of these six rivers to build up a picture of what is flowing in to it from each catchment area.

It would also allow any specific problem areas to be pin-pointed much more readily as any of these rivers aren't actually huge compared to the scale of other countries.

Even better, if the outfall of the Lough was also monitored, which should be particularly easy as it all leaves in one place, there could then be a picture built up of nutrients going in to the lough versus nutrients leaving the lough. This would mean there was actual evidence to base decisions on going forward rather than all sort of speculation.
Tributaries have been continuously tested for years. Farmers in ballinderry catchment have been getting grants recently to help
 

yoki

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I see the "Lough Neagh Partnership" have been calling on the politicians to take action.

Now far be it from me to be defending politicians, but maybe the Lough Neagh Partnership themselves need to be scrutinised a bit more closely and start answering a few questions themselves.

https://loughneaghpartnership.org/

"Managing and protecting Lough Neagh" is the headline.

Seems they've been doing a pretty poor job of it!
 

dave78+

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I see the "Lough Neagh Partnership" have been calling on the politicians to take action.

Now far be it from me to be defending politicians, but maybe the Lough Neagh Partnership themselves need to be scrutinised a bit more closely and start answering a few questions themselves.

https://loughneaghpartnership.org/

"Managing and protecting Lough Neagh" is the headline.

Seems they've been doing a pretty poor job of it!
It had been the Sun that increased water temperature, not the Partnership. The algae is now a global phenomena.
 
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dave78+

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london
Contrary to common perception, a few sunny weeks in Northern Ireland is not a unique event.
The River Maine drains into Lough Neagh. It's waters are exposed to the intense heat of the Sun over a long distance so the Lough will be receiving hot water day and night during sunny weather.
 

yoki

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The River Maine drains into Lough Neagh. It's waters are exposed to the intense heat of the Sun over a long distance so the Lough will be receiving hot water day and night during sunny weather.
Yes, as they are every time the sun shines.

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