Management Plans for SFI

[Huno]

The charge out rate would take into account the value of the job. I doubt you'd have a senior partner doing your forms unless they are a dear friend too. Your figure doesn't sound far wrong for a RICS/FAAV agent but they would be likely to hand a job like that to an associate or ag consultant that many agent firms also have on their books.

I'm married to a former agent so I could argue I have the most expensive version!

What do you value your own time at? £10/hr in a tractor seat, £50/hour for the thinking time in that seat and £500/hour for a meaty business planning meeting?

I go back to my earlier comments. Do the heavy lifting yourself and get the expensive bum in the office chair to just proof read it and sign it off. From what I have read from your posts in TFF over the years, you'd have no problem filling the management plans in yourself.

You therefore get my meaty £5000 per hour strategic view on what i think about SFI strategically for free on this forum? Take the scraps and kill our industry or paddle your own canoe and find a new way for you to survive post BPS.. there you go.... free...

 

[Huno]

Ask yourself.. which other industries have to tell the government their business plan for £500 quid profit? The answer is tell them to shove it and "mind their own business" its quite the insult really?

 

[bobk]

Ask yourself.. which other industries have to tell the government their business plan for £500 quid profit? The answer is tell them to shove it and "mind their own business" its quite the insult really?

Tell us about your enterprise ? give us some background .
Don't see you on many farming threads

 

[yellow belly]

Ask yourself.. which other industries have to tell the government their business plan for £500 quid profit? The answer is tell them to shove it and "mind their own business" its quite the insult really?

the specific management plan is not recorded by the rpa
you just have to show you have done one they do not record the detail

i have done the work for the plans as part of my farm management for 40 years some some written down some not
when needed agents have had them as part of rent tenders and the bank manager one year
the environment agency on a nvz inspection and rpa on a cross compliance check in one year

but they were used to improve the business to keep farming which is the most important us
if it is not needed for business improvement it is not done

if defra want to pay iuse to do it then it adds to the bottom line

just as getting paid extra for milk when we went tb and brucelosis free when we were free from then years before
some farmers then did not take extra

 

[Huno]

the specific management plan is not recorded by the rpa
you just have to show you have done one they do not record the detail

i have done the work for the plans as part of my farm management for 40 years some some written down some not
when needed agents have had them as part of rent tenders and the bank manager one year
the environment agency on a nvz inspection and rpa on a cross compliance check in one year

but they were used to improve the business to keep farming which is the most important us
if it is not needed for business improvement it is not done

if defra want to pay iuse to do it then it adds to the bottom line

just as getting paid extra for milk when we went tb and brucelosis free when we were free from then years before
some farmers then did not take extra

I once wrote a 300 page organic conversion management plan for a UK certifying body and they still have a copy in their archives i was told the other day?

 

[BenAdamsAgri]

Exactly. This is a good opportunity for more farmers to become BASIS registered. Here's nearly £3k to offset a chunk of the course fees.

Trouble is the three plans only come to £1673 a year

FACTS last year cost me £1179.50
BASIS next month is costing £2971

Three years of SFI just about covers it

 

[Spencer]

Trouble is the three plans only come to £1673 a year

FACTS last year cost me £1179.50
BASIS next month is costing £2971

Three years of SFI just about covers it

You’ll have to do some other farms plans as well

 

[BenAdamsAgri]

You’ll have to do some other farms plans as well

Exactly,

Selling signatures!!!! £100 a pop plus travel

 

[Brisel]

Exactly,

Selling signatures!!!! £100 a pop plus travel

Professional Indemnity Insurance too?

 

[DrWazzock]

Ask yourself.. which other industries have to tell the government their business plan for £500 quid profit? The answer is tell them to shove it and "mind their own business" its quite the insult really?

It’s absurd and it’s patronising.
We are treated like naughty schoolchildren.
Write a hundred lines on IPM. Come along now. FFS.

 

[DrWazzock]

Professional Indemnity Insurance too?

Will hardly be required when most of it is open ended and meaningless. I bet no IPM takes account of 5” rain in a fortnight and the implications for preems, slugs etc. As per normal we play it by ear and all that paperwork stays in the folder.

 

[colhonk]

WHO decided Farmers (whom are the ONLY profession that 99.9999999% of the world depend on to not starve to death) are not competent ?

 

[jessop123]

Presume you will be telling your BASIS agronomist that signing it off is a condition of supplying you with agchem and fert. Or surely there is a local farmer with a BASIS number who will accept a bottle of something appropriate to lend you their number.

Good luck with that one. Would you expect any other professional to do a best part of a day's work for you for free which leads to you pocketing at least a couple of grand a year?

 

[jessop123]

On another topic, has anyone got any experience of applying for HRW1? Wondering what to do about recording lengths of hedges. If these are not mapped already, I guess I need to get the measuring wheel out?

 

[BenAdamsAgri]

On another topic, has anyone got any experience of applying for HRW1? Wondering what to do about recording lengths of hedges. If these are not mapped already, I guess I need to get the measuring wheel out?

How to do the SFI actions for hedgerows

Find out how you could do the SFI actions for hedgerows.

www.gov.uk

 

[Goldilocks]

SOIL management Plan a bit more time consuming than the others.If you do it properly on a large farm it will barely cover the cost of doing it. I am doing VSS scores and worm counts on about 30 fields as part of my SMP and it takes a lot of time to do properly. Luckily i already test for soil OM ( have been doing so for 20 odd years ) and have some nice hand coloured maps that i did years ago showing topography, soil erosion risk and soil types across the whole farm ( Did for ELS soil management plan )

 

[bobk]

SOIL management Plan a bit more time consuming than the others.If you do it properly on a large farm it will barely cover the cost of doing it. I am doing VSS scores and worm counts on about 30 fields as part of my SMP and it takes a lot of time to do properly. Luckily i already test for soil OM ( have been doing so for 20 odd years ) and have some nice hand coloured maps that i did years ago showing topography, soil erosion risk and soil types across the whole farm ( Did for ELS soil management plan )

Not bothering with that

 

[DrWazzock]

NMP, I can do on the back of a fag packet.
Soil MP : with random often unforecsst weather extremes it’s a constantly moving target. If I protected the soil 100% I’d never drill anything. Arable would be finished.
IPM: Much the same as SMP. This autumns strategy has been blown out of the water by ….water.
Unless you are seriously retarded or something, i really can’t see much point in written plans in the constantly changing daily battle that is farming at the moment. If you can’t decide what to do without having to refer to a plan, then I think you need to find an easier job or get your cognitive processes tested.
Waste of time.

 

[DrWazzock]

Take this autumn for example.
If we’d just done as dad always said and got drilled up by the end of September instead of clicking our heels waiting for BG flushes and trying to avoid insecticide use as remonmnded by the IPM we’d be in a better position now.
This jobs as difficult as experts make it.

 

[L P]

I'm going with the tried and tested NUM1 template I found on gov.uk
Looks very simple on the link I clicked