Moore or less drill, on tillage

[LoamRanger]

Any thoughts on using an old Moore type drill on disced ground, or even, dare I swear here, ploughed ground?
Background being WOSR stubbles simba dtx'd post combine, ready to RoundUp late as poss for BG control. Drill with low disturbance Moore to WW. Pre Em. All well and good.
However, still plenty of ground to plough. If pressed too, would the investment in the Moore be any use here. Mostly to save time - 3metre combie or 4 / 6m Moore on 200hp

 

[No Worries]

Main problem I see is uneven seed depth with moore on moved soil.
Also bulldozing, blockages.
The old moores like even firm ground.

 

[LoamRanger]

Moore would be running front tire packers and notched discs. But yes @NoWorries, still issues in moved ground. Guess Im looking for the Holy Grail of drills. DD corn into grass, ploughed, min till and stubble. Keeping combie but only wanting to spend a grand or dozen

 

[rob1]

Moore would be running front tire packers and notched discs. But yes @NoWorries, still issues in moved ground. Guess Im looking for the Holy Grail of drills. DD corn into grass, ploughed, min till and stubble. Keeping combie but only wanting to spend a grand or dozen

Try a secondhand simtech they will do it all just put the roller on the front for using on the ploughing

 

[LoamRanger]

Simtech seems like a good idea. I viewed one a couple of years back and arranged a demo when they were near the area, but it fell through. Not sure it carries enough weight for dry ground nor closes slot too well. T sem fits budget best. Poor mans dd - that sounds like me

 

[rob1]

Simtech seems like a good idea. I viewed one a couple of years back and arranged a demo when they were near the area, but it fell through. Not sure it carries enough weight for dry ground nor closes slot too well. T sem fits budget best. Poor mans dd - that sounds like me

Heavier than it looks I hired one a couple of times and did some rape and wheat,only disadvantage was it didn't tramlines, minimal disturbance really helps keep weeds down, with the t slot the seed is covered slot closure isn't a worry as long as you roll

 

[LoamRanger]

Useful info thanks. Weaving machinery tine drills seem good and abundance second hand but lacking the 'T' boot from the Simtech. Retro fit perhaps. Weaving may be amused by order for a used Sabre tine with T boot . Not sure many used Simtechs about I do keep eye out

 

[rob1]

Useful info thanks. Weaving machinery tine drills seem good and abundance second hand but lacking the 'T' boot from the Simtech. Retro fit perhaps. Weaving may be amused by order for a used Sabre tine with T boot . Not sure many used Simtechs about I do keep eye out

Perhaps not many secondhand because people don't sell them because they work well and are simple

 

[mo!]

Our neighbours have had a series of Moores, on all cultivation techniques. Their crops are the best looking in the area. Either plough or discerate then pass with a guttler duplex/ph and drill. Light land has rolls with paddles instead. They often used to roll everything before drilling.

 

[LoamRanger]

@mo! Thanks, thats what I wanted to do, use Moore as DD and conventional.

 

[Clever Dic]

@mo! Thanks, thats what I wanted to do, use Moore as DD and conventional.

I have a 15 year old 4m Moore and have used it regularly in the past on worked land. It's a close row grassland model pre rubber rolls in front and as long as you role in front it makes a great job ,no coulter bounce slices straight through the odd lump as it's held fast and very even depth control. It does not like wet worked ground and you won't if you try it .

 

[Mark C]

I use a 3m Moore on min tilled (sumo) ground after maize. Mine is pre rubber roller model so roll in front to give a nice consolidated seedbed.

 

[neilo]

Useful info thanks. Weaving machinery tine drills seem good and abundance second hand but lacking the 'T' boot from the Simtech. Retro fit perhaps. Weaving may be amused by order for a used Sabre tine with T boot . Not sure many used Simtechs about I do keep eye out

I think most used Simtechs are sold back via George Simon. I was looking for ages, but mine came via George. Had a few in then, as they'd just brought out the new model and folk were upgrading.

 

[LoamRanger]

With a third of the ground stoney cotswold brash the Simtech would be fine as its a tine drill pushing the shale out of the way. The Moore may have higher coulter pressure on the rest of the soils but ride out over stone. However, I do like the idea of covering the slot back up. Going in after drilling late October with rolls for the Simtech may not be an option if 2012 comes back around. Any 'pureist' DDers have views on Simtech against Mooore.
Perhaps I should just give George another ring see whats about as neilo says

 

[Old Spot]

Get a Weaving

 

[Richard III]

Any 'pureist' DDers have views on Simtech against Mooore.

I have both, but being a 'pureist' DDer I can't comment on how either work in tilled soil.

In good going the Moore will do a great job, but the Simtec is more versatile. The Simtec will go into very hard ground that the Moore will ride over. I can drill in very wet conditions with the Simtec because the rear roller is always running on trash not soil, however in sticky wet soil the roller could start to block. I usually roll after the Simtec, although on lighter land I have got away without. I think @Simon C sometimes fastens grass harrows behind his Simtec to give one pass closing.

 

[LoamRanger]

@Richard III - 'both' . Can't get a better comparison nor answer than that, cheers for info. Simtech coming back at same price as a demo JD750a. Or a Moore 4 or 6 m modern used machine. As you (all) say more versatile but its a lot for 3 meter running on just 400ha. No used simtec about.
With reference to closing/harrowing or rolling post drilling,the Dale eco3 looks like it covers slots to me but seems few people suggest them. Going off original topic somewhat

 

[Michael S]

We have been using Moores in all cultivation situations for 20 years or more. The main thing is it likes a firm seed bed. The later type with the front packer wheels has excellent depth control, the only limiting factor is if the ground is too hard to penetrate IMO. The rear press wheels in tillage situations give excellent seed to soil contact. In tougher DD situations they can end up off the ground so not closing the slot. As a an all rounder it is excellent.

Michael

 

[redbaron]

Only just seen this thread! We are learning with a 2nd hand Moore 3m with front rubber wheels bought last autumn. Drilling s.barley and linseed this spring into cultivated ground (culti-pressed or p/harrowed depending on soils) I was concerned about seed depth (especially rows behind tractor wheels) and also the ground surface ACROSS the 3m width was somewhat domed in centre compared with either side. In the event, we saw some of the best emergence ever: NO DIFFERENCE IN ANY OF THE ROWS. And slightly domed profile never a problem, even when combining linseed very low. However we have fabricated a bar across the front of the drill to carry some tines as tractor wheel track looseners, but not done any drilling since fitting them. It's a full width bar, so could have a full complement of tines, if we ever had conditions where that might help

Now another question instead of starting a new thread: How do people go about DD-ing wheat into undisturbed linseed stubbles. Is the linseed stubble a problem?

 

[franklin]

Is the linseed stubble a problem?

Not if short and dead. Its the fluff thats the problem as it gets around everything it seems. Burn or bale.

Do you find your Moore with the rubber wheels good for depth control, and secondly does it cut in well into real hard ground? My clay has gone from mud to iron in 3 weeks and my brother is unimpressed about drilling into stubbles at speed. And when I say speed, I only mean about 9 to 10k. Can you post a picture of the full width toolbar please?