Planning uplift

[David.]

Go on, I dare you

 

[lloyd]

Section 106 demands have increased hugely in recent years, which pay for improvements in that infrastructure (unless the Council choose to pocket it instead). That all comes out of what the landowner gets.

106 has been very ineffective in small developments of less than 10 houses.
Infact most of the villages in Herefordshire where small developments have
taken place have not benefited and executive houses built with no affordability element.
Lack of 106 for under 10 houses has benefited land owners more than anyone else .

 

[Nearly]

Go on, I dare you

Sold some before xmas that was just ours. Did ok.
This is half ours, when the next generation of distant relatives get control of the other half they'll want to spend it as soon as they can.
If it arrives sooner rather than later we can plan. Waiting for it does no one any good.

 

[BRB John]

How often is compulsory purchase orders used for house building? I thought they were purely for infrastructure and of national interest use only?

 

[David.]

Depends if Kier has a legacy project in mind, to start building new housing association estates..

 

[Flatland guy]

Well according to some there is a large land bank with outline/full permission granted but years before being built. I bet you could be 10 years using it all up. So much rather be enforcement of existing permission or withdrawn, and you can bet some of this land bank has been stockpiled at possibly cheaper rates than now for the land. So who is getting the uplift developer or landowner?
Not sure how true but for large developments/housing estates the builder/developer only uses options etc mainly never outright purchase of land at start.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Section 106 demands have increased hugely in recent years, which pay for improvements in that infrastructure (unless the Council choose to pocket it instead). That all comes out of what the landowner gets.

Add in CIL as well, which in many areas is absolutely astronomical (I know of new estates up in Berkshire where the CIL costs are £35k for each three bed semi), plus the additional costs of SANG provision, BNG provision, phosphate offsetting etc, and you're looking at £50K plus being added to the cost of each new house purely due to legislative bollox.

 

[Goweresque]

106 has been very ineffective in small developments of less than 10 houses.
Infact most of the villages in Herefordshire where small developments have
taken place have not benefited and executive houses built with no affordability element.
Lack of 106 for under 10 houses has benefited land owners more than anyone else .

All councils now have the ability to charge CIL, Community Infrastructure Levy, which makes small developments pay contributions towards schools roads etc.

Community Infrastructure Levy

This guidance explains what the Community Infrastructure Levy is and how it operates.

www.gov.uk

 

[lloyd]

All councils now have the ability to charge CIL, Community Infrastructure Levy, which makes small developments pay contributions towards schools roads etc.

Community Infrastructure Levy

This guidance explains what the Community Infrastructure Levy is and how it operates.

www.gov.uk

I appreciate that it has now changed/changing but historically those selling plots or small
developments got away with very little in the way of contributions in much of England.
I spoke to a builder in a neighbouring county last week who had paid 800k for two plots .
Now if those plots had been levied they'd probably have been several hundred thousand cheaper.
The only person who had benefitted was the landowner .

 

[BRB John]

All councils now have the ability to charge CIL, Community Infrastructure Levy, which makes small developments pay contributions towards schools roads etc.

Community Infrastructure Levy

This guidance explains what the Community Infrastructure Levy is and how it operates.

www.gov.uk

What the hell are we paying our council tax for then?
More houses = More council tax
How stupid can they be.

 

[Lamb's Orchard]

Grand Designs’ Kevin McCloud says UK property market ‘broken and dysfunctional’

TV presenter and designer says monopoly of big developers stifling quality and innovation

www.independent.co.uk

Looks like there's a cartel at work in our house building market too 🫤

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Sod that.

It’s not like house builders are going to sell the houses any cheaper, it’s more they will make a bigger profit…. Think it’s something like £35k per house the land costs for a housing estate…. So that’s probably already the cheapest part. Maybe they should put caps on how much tradesmen can charge or quarries for concrete etc

I agree, then maybe all the trades/managers who work on the house should only be paid national minimum wage too, and maybe the builders merchants should be made to supply the materials at cost as well, then the estate agents could sell without a commission too!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

any government that makes houses cheaper is doomed even more so that a government that makes food expensive !

voters obsess with those house price as for most it’s their entire wealth/ retirement etc so they want to see go up not down !


no government REALLY wants cheap house prices

My partner is Austrian, and she said, in Europe a house is a home, not an investment. It took her a while to understand the British way of thinking about a house as an investment vehicle, and our obsession with price rises. In Austria, you buy or self build one house then live in it for the rest of your life.

 

[serf]

Suggestion in the Times yesterdayday that land bought by Compulsory Purchase should be limited to existing value plus a percentage for disturbance. Suggested that to Farmers would limit value paid to 200% of current land value. This would enable houses to be built very much cheaper when currently land value can be near 50% of house price ( more commonly 20%+)
How do people feel about losing land for housing at twice the lands value, if they knew it would help the next generation get a house?

Communism

 

[Still Farming]

All dockages come off the landowner.
Council blow it whatever.

 

[lloyd]

Communism

You might like the idea if you were a 30 something year old trying
to buy a house without the help of mummy or daddy.

 

[warksfarmer]

Suggestion in the Times yesterdayday that land bought by Compulsory Purchase should be limited to existing value plus a percentage for disturbance. Suggested that to Farmers would limit value paid to 200% of current land value. This would enable houses to be built very much cheaper when currently land value can be near 50% of house price ( more commonly 20%+)
How do people feel about losing land for housing at twice the lands value, if they knew it would help the next generation get a house?

No chance because its not the next generation, its all the illegals coming in every single day of the year.

 

[Exfarmer]

No chance because its not the next generation, its all the illegals coming in every single day of the year.

my son lives in a crummy little flat, that is exclusively my opinion, 2 beds worth £1M, my daughter lives in an average 4 bed in a provincial town worth 500K. My son not married and my Daughter married, both on very good wages tell me it would be extremely difficult for them to purchase today without parental help. What is the outlook for millions of these kids who will be on the minimum wage.
My wife's father had 6 children lived in a council house all his life, all 6 went on to own their own homes with no help from above.
The market is screwed 100% and I think the illegal immigrants can not be having that great an effect when they arrive here with just a suitcase.

 

[warksfarmer]

my son lives in a crummy little flat, that is exclusively my opinion, 2 beds worth £1M, my daughter lives in an average 4 bed in a provincial town worth 500K. My son not married and my Daughter married, both on very good wages tell me it would be extremely difficult for them to purchase today without parental help. What is the outlook for millions of these kids who will be on the minimum wage.
My wife's father had 6 children lived in a council house all his life, all 6 went on to own their own homes with no help from above.
The market is screwed 100% and I think the illegal immigrants can not be having that great an effect when they arrive here with just a suitcase.

Problem is the government don't want to help the likes of your children and to be honest they don't care about them at all, or us for that matter.
All they are bothered about is appeasing the G8, EU etc.
We really are all on our own today as England is a fading nation that eventually wont exist.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

No chance because its not the next generation, its all the illegals coming in every single day of the year.

Not just the illegals. Legal migration is orders of magnitude higher.

If you look at the total fertility rate for the locals they've been below replacement rate for a couple of decades, which means that the shortage of housing caused by a burgeoning population is solely due to inward migration.