Red Tractor : suitable detergent/disinfectant?🤷‍♂️

[slackjawedyokel]

@slackjawedyokel did you find a compliant product?
Ours coming up and need something else!

Specifically need it for washing and disinfecting trailers that might move muck or fodder beet occasionally!

Sorry, I didn’t.

My approach, if it specifically comes up at a future inspection, will be to start with:
“Can we just pause this inspection temporarily”, and then point out that I am already doing my level best to comply with the rules as they stand. I would point out that I have tried to find a single (food-safe detergent/sanitiser) that fits the letter of the rules and I have been unable to find one.
If they’re still being arsey I’d ask them whether they could give me the names of any suitable products.
If not I’d again point out again that I’m using a detergent and a disinfectant so do they really want to make a big deal of it?
Suspect the answer will be No.

 

[ploughman1963]

Others have disagreed with me in the past but asked the question of a 'friendly' RT inspector who told me Virkon S is acceptable. Thats what we bought and it was accepted as suitable - box ticked.

 

[ollie989898]

I would be willing to bet that if you asked the manufacturers of Virkon S that is categorically not to be used in a food handling environment but I may be wrong.

It's a grey area. Obviously virkon S we know is a potent agricultural/industrial disinfectant. We used it a lot in game bird rearing and hatching but I very much doubt it is food safe. Food safe disinfectants are normally colourless and have very little odour. They are also generally pretty wussy as chemicals go and only really work on clean surfaces. This isn't what you would expect of virkon S and I would argue that most food grade disinfectants used in food preparation will not be worth a damn in any agricultural environment such as a grain store.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Others have disagreed with me in the past but asked the question of a 'friendly' RT inspector who told me Virkon S is acceptable. Thats what we bought and it was accepted as suitable - box ticked.

But would a different inspector find that acceptable? They all seem to work to slightly different standards!!
I was told that Sorgene would be acceptable, but also that I should use a DEFRA-approved product and Sorgene had just been de-.listed

 

[stroller]

I thought this was a thread about a disinfectant that would get rid of red craptor, if only it were that simple.

 

[Baker9]

This is absolute rubbish. There is an expression in the poultry industry - “ you cant disinfect sh..!”. Tried and tested method for cleaning poultry sheds - soak with quat, rinse off, leave to dry and then disinfect using the correct dilution. I would be very surprised if a combined product exists because it would be very ineffective.

That is the same in food Manufacturing, we were not allowed to use a combined product, clean first then disinfect and that was from Food Standards Agency, evidently your Dead Tractor know feck all about cleaning and have never been advised by Food Standards.

 

[ploughman1963]

But would a different inspector find that acceptable? They all seem to work to slightly different standards!!
I was told that Sorgene would be acceptable, but also that I should use a DEFRA-approved product and Sorgene had just been de-.listed

I asked which product was approved as I was struggling - his answer was Virkon S. I accept there may be other views. If you have an inspection due you should have a contact number for the inspector? Can you call him and ask?

 

[ploughman1963]

I would be willing to bet that if you asked the manufacturers of Virkon S that is categorically not to be used in a food handling environment but I may be wrong.

It's a grey area. Obviously virkon S we know is a potent agricultural/industrial disinfectant. We used it a lot in game bird rearing and hatching but I very much doubt it is food safe. Food safe disinfectants are normally colourless and have very little odour. They are also generally pretty wussy as chemicals go and only really work on clean surfaces. This isn't what you would expect of virkon S and I would argue that most food grade disinfectants used in food preparation will not be worth a damn in any agricultural environment such as a grain store.

I wouldnt disagree with your logic but it was the answer I got and the box was ticked

 

[Wooly]

What disinfectant for an organic RT farm ?

 

[slackjawedyokel]

What disinfectant for an organic RT farm ?

Would also like to know.

 

[ploughman1963]

The above was an organic dairy farm

 

[Jam Tomorrow]

If RT won’t recommend a product , ask them for a list of all the ones that aren’t recommended….and buy something else

 

[slackjawedyokel]

If RT won’t recommend a product , ask them for a list of all the ones that aren’t recommended….and buy something else

If only they would engage in that sort of sensible discourse…

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Best to have a dedicated grain or muck trailer IYSWIM Solves that problem.

I do have a second trailer and I also have a dedicated grain bucket.
The difficulty is that I do not have a second, covered, vast expanse of concrete to tip grain on. It’s not uncommon for barley to come in over 20%, and with it being organic it tends to be collected last, often weeks later. I have to spread it out a few inches deep or it’s compost. I couldn’t do that in my grain/feed shed.

 

[nails]

I;ve half a litre of FAM 30 , dead tractor happy , bought it 21 years ago for f & m

Same here . Put it out on inspection day with footdip e.t.c.

 

[tullah]

RT needs disinfecting and swilling down the drain.

 

[B'o'B]

RT needs disinfecting and swilling down the drain.

After having been castrated!