Sick Same Titan

[Cowabunga]

My 1993 Titan 160 is quite sick or it might be just sulking. Parked it in the shed a few weeks ago and when trying to start it last Thursday, it cranks fine but no diesel being pumped into the cylinders. The governor and injector pumps work and it will start fine when the governor if forced mechanically open. There is no current from the ECU to the governor.
Anyone come across this before? There is some kind of fault code in the form of flashing lights on the throttle keypad but nobody seems to know what it means but we guess that it means that there is no current to the governor

 

[Cotlandfarmer]

Give Marc James engineering a call, he is now the service agent for Same Deutz Fahr in West Wales, he may be able to get you going.

 

[asm]

Check the engine speed sensor.
If an early tractor it will be on the flywheel
If a latter tractor it’s on the timing cover. if my memory is correct.

 

[David Bliss]

A lot of stuff today is very voltage sensitive, neighbour run his Massey up the end of the shed and few weeks later it turned over and wouldn't start with no hint of a low battery, he rang the dealer and he had to sit in the tractor and do various things and tel them what came up, told low battery, still think after charging it needed a poke from the dealer, and with two batteries that everything seems ok one battery can have a intermittent cell suddenly drop out once voltage has come up after starting and then get very odd things happen, cost me £600 for a control module and two batteries on a Transit. Its like a must first disconnect the earth of any modern battery setup as a smallest accidental single flash when doing anything can cost lots.

 

[H200GT]

Not the same engine, but deutz here had similar issue. Cranked fine but would not start. Issue traced to a bad earth, cleaned, refitted been perfect since.

 

[Cowabunga]

Thanks for your suggestions. Mechanic was flummoxed as there was current to the ECU but no output to the governor. He took the ecu off and did a few more tests on it and was about to take it away to be properly tested and repaired by David King Electronics when it seemed to spring back to life. I haven’t talked to him yet but he’s ordered a new battery for it and replaced the lethargic starter while we are at it.

The great news is that it is back up and running. Will quiz him further when he comes back with the battery or informs me that it’s in. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a bad earth, although it never hinted at a problem before packing up altogether.

 

[David Bliss]

Bad electrical connections. I have one of the cheap compact 4X4 tractors, its ideal for what I want it for theres a but, however as it stands allot of its time idle, going to start it often its very slow to start, firstly its a very poor starter even hot, have a coffee and it needs heat, one day was dead, so off with the starter and just thought as brushes looked worn low so might have been held by the wire so not contacting, back on started like new, then found out they all have worn out short looking brushes, months later done a similar thing of cranking slow, this time after several seconds trying, felt all the heavy wire connections, one was paint stripper hot where it was bolted onto the chassis, gave it a wack with the drawbar pin and off it went, done it again a few days later, so took it off and as it looked clean looked at the normally soft copper part, as it wasn't marked by the spring washer just thought it was made of plated steel and if it was wouldn't be good, what ever that stuff is made from its not magnetic but is glass hard and yearly get same problem from one or more of the heavy wire connections so go around now touching carefully to see if one is hot. this tractor is now modified and put together better than new but always got some faulty electrical part failing. and it lives under cover.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Ive got one atm . put a little nocco booster pack on it in the frost couple of days ago to help a slow turn over, fired easily but now the alternator /charging light wont go out and no instruments Tacho etc are working , engine runs fine mind you but we mustn't use it though until i suss it out
always something.

 

[Cowabunga]

Bad electrical connections. I have one of the cheap compact 4X4 tractors, its ideal for what I want it for theres a but, however as it stands allot of its time idle, going to start it often its very slow to start, firstly its a very poor starter even hot, have a coffee and it needs heat, one day was dead, so off with the starter and just thought as brushes looked worn low so might have been held by the wire so not contacting, back on started like new, then found out they all have worn out short looking brushes, months later done a similar thing of cranking slow, this time after several seconds trying, felt all the heavy wire connections, one was paint stripper hot where it was bolted onto the chassis, gave it a wack with the drawbar pin and off it went, done it again a few days later, so took it off and as it looked clean looked at the normally soft copper part, as it wasn't marked by the spring washer just thought it was made of plated steel and if it was wouldn't be good, what ever that stuff is made from its not magnetic but is glass hard and yearly get same problem from one or more of the heavy wire connections so go around now touching carefully to see if one is hot. this tractor is now modified and put together better than new but always got some faulty electrical part failing. and it lives under cover.

My Titan is now over 30 years old and as electronic as any new tractor today, with electronic engine management with three throttle memories, a nine speed electronic powershift plus three mechanical ranges, electronic linkage control with radar slip control and so on. Apart from the joystick duplicate lift control buttons packing up many years ago, this is the first real electronic/electrical problem its ever had that has inconvenienced me. It’s had several mechanical issues, one major when a piston melted and seized, but considering it is 1990’s Italian wiring it has been absolutely brilliant.
The mechanic changed the starter, which I didn’t think it needed, but must admit that it now swings over twice as fast as it ever did before. It’s an instant starter in the coldest weather but does emit some white smoke for a minute when it’s near freezing. Doesn’t use any oil either. Only 7000 hours on the clock though and its very much a reserve tractor for much of the year in recent years due, not to it getting old, but to its owner and family getting older and consolidating to the main enterprise, not doing any contract work.

 

[Jim B]

There a SAME mechanic near Tregaron, surname is Hunt, but I can't remember his first name. I think he's an official SDF service and parts dealer, but he has a lot of knowledge on older SAME.

 

[vantage]

There a SAME mechanic near Tregaron, surname is Hunt, but I can't remember his first name. I think he's an official SDF service and parts dealer, but he has a lot of knowledge on older SAME.

Mike.
Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Check the engine speed sensor.
If an early tractor it will be on the flywheel
If a latter tractor it’s on the timing cover. if my memory is correct.

If it had a dry clutch you could nearly guarantee it would be the sensor on flywheel! Screw it out a full turn and back in a turn and a quarter and chance it!!!!

 

[Cowabunga]

There a SAME mechanic near Tregaron, surname is Hunt, but I can't remember his first name. I think he's an official SDF service and parts dealer, but he has a lot of knowledge on older SAME.

Penuwch. Yes, I know Simon and his family. His cousin has been servicing my milking machine for about 40 years.

 

[SameTitan190]

Hello, I have a question about the tires on the Same titan 190 tractor, I currently have 540/65r30 front tires and 650/65r38 rear tires. My question is, can I put a 520/70r30 in the front and a 620/70r38 in the back, or would I need a different combination of rear tires?

 

[box]

I'd say near enough, but I'm no expert.

Be aware that the replacement tyres are going to be slightly (about an inch) larger in diameter.

 

[avag]

Back tyres would be similar rolling raduis but 520/70r30 would be a size up 480/70r30 would be the matching size

 

[SameTitan190]

I know it would be a better combination, but I am interested in 520/70r30, the difference between them and 540/65r30 is 1.3cm volume