Tax relief on Red Diesel being scrapped in budget?

[Pistonbroke]

I was ordering the diesel for a contractor digging a site here in 2000 every time the Bowser was empty. He went nuts when the price went over 10p for the first time

 

[Tramliner]

Why should farmers get cheap diesel?

Why should the public get cheap food?

 

[addy the daddy]

Why should farmers get cheap diesel?

Why should people have cheap food?

 

[Mr Mackay]

Why should people have cheap food?

So they can afford the mobile, broadband, ciggis and drink , silly

 

[Tubbylew]

Really doesn't much care for UK agriculture our government.

Very little joy left in the job with all this drip, drip, drip of "ideas" and possible "policy"

Ah well, it's the Brexit bonus

I must admit, it's all starting to feel a bit personal, its almost like they don't want a rural economy at all.

 

[curlietailz]

I must admit, it's all starting to feel a bit personal, its almost like they don't want a rural economy at all.

May the risk of becoming a broken record
When farmers stop producing food and just grow buttercups
The rural economy will collapse

small one man band mechanics, plumbers, vermin control, fencing, casual staff, contractors, hauliers will all lose their customers

 

[warksfarmer]

Why should the public get cheap food?

Because that’s what they want. The public get what they want, so if they want cheap food they’ll have it and Uk Ag will be finished.

The voters run the country not the government. The government merely do what the voters want generally.

 

[Bald Rick]

Because that’s what they want. The public get what they want, so if they want cheap food they’ll have it and Uk Ag will be finished.

The voters run the country not the government. The government merely do what the voters want generally.

I would say the opposite. Governments keep food prices as low as they can because it keeps the poplace quiet. A well fed person generally is a passive person.
As a pay off, they have more money in their pockets to spend on stuff like cars, holidays, new TVs etc which all attract a very healthy 20% tax.

Let’s spend £106bn on a railway track rather than support U.K. agriculture

Morons

 

[warksfarmer]

I must admit, it's all starting to feel a bit personal, its almost like they don't want a rural economy at all.

At last the penny is starting to drop!

They are sending the industry down the river without a paddle because they want to import cheaper food mixed in with the trade deals and then the uk countryside into ELMS so they can then claim the uk is a world leader in carbon capture.

 

[Chris F]

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I often wonder if posting images off the web/memes is likely to incur the wrath of copyrighters?

I generally would not cut and paste text or articles without providing a link, however.

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[Lexion1000]

This farming job is going to lurch from being fairly knackered to completely knackered if they do this. Who voted for this absolute gold plated collection of strokers? A collapse in the rural economy and land values is looking highly likely now imo. We are the miners of the modern era, chucked under the bus.

 

[How much]

For those who have not read the thread , the tile is little misleading in that agriculture is proposed to still have an exemption should this rumor have any truth in it.

but if there is any truth in it the following are things to consider

I believe France is tightening up on the use of red also and large areas of Europe don't have red but reimburse farmers the duty on white diesel every 1/4 i believe a bit like a vat return.
That would be a sensible way to do it but would make any tractor or combine with a full tank of derv a very big target for fuel theft

It would raise some questions though especially for farmers who run parallel non agg business such as ground works as to how they would manage keep the red out of the JCB when not doing agg work or accounting for the derv used in not agg work but not reclaiming the duty on the volume used if all fuel was derv as mentioned above.

Quarried product will cost more per ton as a good percentage of the cost would be from diesel use and would then need to be white not red.

Digester work could also be a grey area ,Energy production its not in all honesty agricultural usage, its currently a business run as agriculture on red but that could be tightened up on i guess

 

[GeorgeK]

I believe France is tightening up on the use of red also and large areas of Europe don't have red but reimburse farmers the duty on white diesel every 1/4 i believe a bit like a vat return.

If we move to white diesel then get reimbursed, what's to stop it going in the truck, car and few mates vans? It can't be dipped. Sounds great, I'm all in favor

 

[Lexion1000]

If we move to white diesel then get reimbursed, what's to stop it going in the truck, car and few mates vans? It can't be dipped. Sounds great, I'm all in favor

In Australia I think you just say what percentage of the diesel you use for business or for personal use and pay the tax accordingly. The colour of it doesn’t matter, if they remove the tax break.

 

[midlandslad]

This farming job is going to lurch from being fairly knackered to completely knackered if they do this. Who voted for this absolute gold plated collection of strokers? A collapse in the rural economy and land values is looking highly likely now imo. We are the miners of the modern era, chucked under the bus.

Is a drop in land values that bad, it may give farmers a chance to purchase and allow the good businessmen to flourish

 

[Steevo]

For those who have not read the thread , the tile is little misleading in that agriculture is proposed to still have an exemption should this rumor have any truth in it.

but if there is any truth in it the following are things to consider

I believe France is tightening up on the use of red also and large areas of Europe don't have red but reimburse farmers the duty on white diesel every 1/4 i believe a bit like a vat return.
That would be a sensible way to do it but would make any tractor or combine with a full tank of derv a very big target for fuel theft

It would raise some questions though especially for farmers who run parallel non agg business such as ground works as to how they would manage keep the red out of the JCB when not doing agg work or accounting for the derv used in not agg work but not reclaiming the duty on the volume used if all fuel was derv as mentioned above.

Quarried product will cost more per ton as a good percentage of the cost would be from diesel use and would then need to be white not red.

Digester work could also be a grey area ,Enegy production its not in all honesty not agricultural usage, its currently a business run as agriculture on red but that could be tightened up on i guess

Cost of houses would increase if all plant had to use white too.

 

[Lexion1000]

Is a drop in land values that bad, it may give farmers a chance to purchase and allow the good businessmen to flourish

Depends which side of the fence you’re on! You’re right of course, it would be very helpful to some people if land prices drop.

 

[Henarar]

At last the penny is starting to drop!

They are sending the industry down the river without a paddle because they want to import cheaper food mixed in with the trade deals and then the uk countryside into ELMS so they can then claim the uk is a world leader in carbon capture.

Better go capture some carbon then.
Where did I put my lasso

 

[Simon Chiles]

If we move to white diesel then get reimbursed, what's to stop it going in the truck, car and few mates vans? It can't be dipped. Sounds great, I'm all in favor

This ^^^. Also makes every farm tank susceptible. I think I for one wouldn’t store my own fuel anymore. I also suspect that after a few times of filling the combine up at the local garage at about 8.30 in the morning just as everyone was late for work Joe Public would soon be complaining to the government that we ought to be back on red.
On the bright side if we’re all on white it’ll stop me wasting hours of my life replying to questions on the legitimate use of red on here.

As far as I can remember, I think that when we did the consultation before Notice 75 from HMRC the largest use of Red diesel was heating government and NHS buildings, I wonder whether they’ll still have an exemption?

 

[sandy2210]

I was on a very large construction site last year and was ordering 25,000 l every day for nearly 2 years how much extra would that job cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!