Cattle Pacifiers - debate pro and cons

[MRT]

PDing is the only way I have yet to be kicked around cattle, an arm up the arse is about the best restraint method out I reckon! No need for the 'lecky bill

 

[AGN76]

PDing is the only way I have yet to be kicked around cattle, an arm up the arse is about the best restraint method out I reckon! No need for the 'lecky bill

After 10,000+ services and no kick i can agree with you there.
Can't wait for tomorrow now!

 

[Thick Farmer]

I appreciate this is an old thread, but it is an important issue I feel I must address. It is illegal to use these items in the United Kingdom.

The Welfare of Farmed Animals (England) Regulations 2007 Schedule 1 & The Welfare of Farmed Animals (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2012:

Electrical immobilisation

30. An electrical current must not be applied to an animal for the purpose of immobilisation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/2078/schedule/1/made & http://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2012/156/schedule/1/made

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Any person caught using such equipment is liable to prosecution.

I hope no one on here is using one, and if they are I suggest they decease and dispose of the evidence.

Are you a copper or just a do gooder?

 

[bovine]

I'm a vet if it matters. A client asked me about these things having read a discussion online.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Isn't something electrical used for getting semen samples?

 

[Cowcalf]

PDing is the only way I have yet to be kicked around cattle, an arm up the arse is about the best restraint method out I reckon! No need for the 'lecky bill

could you put a video demonstration on of how to clip a belly or clear out mastitis with one arm in the rectum

 

[roscoe erf]

could you put a video demonstration on of how to clip a belly or clear out mastitis with one arm in the rectum

long arms

 

[roscoe erf]

could you put a video demonstration on of how to clip a belly or clear out mastitis with one arm in the rectum

or a extension lead

 

[MRT]

You need long arms or short cattle

 

[roscoe erf]

you could try one of these in either end

 

[Thick Farmer]

I'm a vet if it matters. A client asked me about these things having read a discussion online.

So what's your problem with it? If it calms the cattle down then surely it's better than the alternative of them going bonkers in the race and hurting themselves...

 

[bovine]

The problem is it is illegal. It's illegal because it is believed to be cruel. Electero-ejaculation has to be carried out by a veterinary surgeon to safeguard the animals welfare - even then only short bursts are used.

The implication is this device is used routinely. Well handled cattle don't go mad in crushes.

(I spend 95% of my time dealing with cattle on different farms)

 

[O'Reilly]

Nonsense. There's always one, and for that one using this as a last resort has to be better than an injury to either man or beast. Great shame it can't be used any more. Agree that in the wrong hands it could be misused, but then so can most things. Someone shouting could stress an animal, but no one gets prosecuted for that.

 

[Hilly]

The problem is it is illegal. It's illegal because it is believed to be cruel. Electero-ejaculation has to be carried out by a veterinary surgeon to safeguard the animals welfare - even then only short bursts are used.

The implication is this device is used routinely. Well handled cattle don't go mad in crushes.

(I spend 95% of my time dealing with cattle on different farms)

Electro ejaculation is the cruelset thing I have seen that's legal, I refuse to use it on my bulls.

 

[M-J-G]

Electro ejaculation is the cruelset thing I have seen that's legal, I refuse to use it on my bulls.

You must have very civilised and sheltered lives over your way @Hilly if thats the cruelest thing youve ever seen

It might be cruel if the vet is crap at it. Have had it done on a few young bulls here if the buyer wants them fertility tested, never seemed to bother them much at all. One went out of the crush and went straight over to try to jump another bull.

There aren't many other ways to get a young bull to give you a sample! Unless you do a good impression of a heifer

 

[M-J-G]

The problem is it is illegal. It's illegal because it is believed to be cruel. Electero-ejaculation has to be carried out by a veterinary surgeon to safeguard the animals welfare - even then only short bursts are used.

The implication is this device is used routinely. Well handled cattle don't go mad in crushes.

(I spend 95% of my time dealing with cattle on different farms)

Nonsense. There's always one, and for that one using this as a last resort has to be better than an injury to either man or beast. Great shame it can't be used any more. Agree that in the wrong hands it could be misused, but then so can most things. Someone shouting could stress an animal, but no one gets prosecuted for that.

Cattle that need them should be banned!!!

 

[Hilly]

You must have very civilised and sheltered lives over your way @Hilly if thats the cruelest thing youve ever seen

It might be cruel if the vet is crap at it. Have had it done on a few young bulls here if the buyer wants them fertility tested, never seemed to bother them much at all. One went out of the crush and went straight over to try to jump another bull.

There aren't many other ways to get a young bull to give you a sample! Unless you do a good impression of a heifer

The vet was probably crap at it then.

 

[Henarar]

Nonsense. There's always one, and for that one using this as a last resort has to be better than an injury to either man or beast. Great shame it can't be used any more. Agree that in the wrong hands it could be misused, but then so can most things. Someone shouting could stress an animal, but no one gets prosecuted for that.

double standards here I think, like other things that are vet only
It seems like using these just got lumped in with the clip on ones that were thought to have problems and banned
I have watched them used on youtube and the cattle seem ok, so I can't see a problem, lengths of blue water pipe on the other hand
That is not to say I would use one without finding out a lot more about it
What about electric cattle prods I spose they are just as bad yet hitting the animal is ok

 

[Hilly]

double standards here I think, like other things that are vet only
It seems like using these just got lumped in with the clip on ones that were thought to have problems and banned
I have watched them used on youtube and the cattle seem ok, so I can't see a problem, lengths of blue water pipe on the other hand
That is not to say I would use one without finding out a lot more about it
What about electric cattle prods I spose they are just as bad yet hitting the animal is ok

electric prods are nothing I have tested them on myself they are just a tingle, had one years ago and threw it away they were usless any way, patience always wins in the end.

 

[roscoe erf]

electric prods are nothing I have tested them on myself they are just a tingle, had one years ago and threw it away they were usless any way, patience always wins in the end.

was you having a semen sample taken or was it just a ejeculate issue