Sly no till drill
- Thread starter dontknowanything
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- Chipping Norton
All disc drills hair-pin. End of. Anyone who tells you any different is doing a Boris.
- Location
- Peterborough
Yes I have one since 20/9/19. Very pleased with it. Too busy to talk about it. I have been meaning to post some pictures.
- Location
- Peterborough
Direct Drilling in the Fen a week ago after onions.
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- Peterborough
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- Peterborough
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- Peterborough
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- NSW, Newstralya
Err, with respect . . .
based on many years, hectares, crops & machines, I have to disagree . . .
I’ve run about 5 different single & double disc planters for about 25 years now . . .
Both in my own 800 hectare arable operation & also contracting for others, with a variety of seed sizes from canola through to faba beans. Canola, wheat, barley, oats, chick peas, faba beans, linseed, sorghum, maize, cotton, sunflowers, cotton, mung beans, soybeans, hemp, tropical grasses, lucerne . . .
All zero till into retained stubbles, straw, ground cover.
The real trick to avoiding hair pinning is to leave stubble long & standing. Chopped straw or straw in the ground is going to present more challenges . . .
yes, disc planters can hair pin, but that is generally a failing of stubble management or planter set up / maintenance, or lack of operator experience, more so than a failing of the disc concept itself
in our drier environment, hair pinning is something we take seriously, so I am very aware of it . . .
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@Farmer Roy some of the difference between your situation and the uk would be the volume of straw here and that the straw is rarely 100% dry & brittle, these two factors would be in your favour in Australia.
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- NSW, Newstralya
yes, but we also leave all our straw, we don’t bale it or remove it.
One of the main priorities for any zero till planter here is maximum trash flow - something I don’t see on any UK / Euro tyne DD “drills”
I haven’t seen a single supposed “DD” tyne drill or cultivator that would operate in our high trash conditions, on TFF, so I think our gear is actually better suited to high trash flows
granted, our summer planting conditions can be hot & dry & conducive to brittle straw, but our autumn / winter plantings can quite often be done in damp conditions, short days & heavy dews . . .
That’s why Arrick’s developed the row cleaner attachment for the JD single disc planters, for example . . .
That’s why local manufacturers developed open spoked gauge wheels ( years before Mudsmith & JD ) and much improved mud scraper systems such as the steel scraper rings on gauge wheels, which are real game changers
our cropping regions cover a very diverse climate & geography - think Scotland to Spain. It’s not just one homogenised “one size fits all”
yes, we struggle with hair pinning at times, but I still maintain that a lot of that can be overcome with operator experience, correct planter set up, stubble management / cultural practices & planter maintenance
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- Chipping Norton
What he said^^^^
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- Chipping Norton
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yes, we struggle with hair pinning at times, but I still maintain that a lot of that can be overcome with operator experience, correct planter set up, stubble management / cultural practices & planter maintenance
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So you agree.
to be fair I was referring explicitly to UK situations. All drill with a disc can and do hairpin over here. I am mainly talking about into chopped straw.
so why bother using a disc drill in that situation with the risk of hair-pinning, when a time drill in that situation removes the risk.
yes, we struggle with hair pinning at times, but I still maintain that a lot of that can be overcome with operator experience, correct planter set up, stubble management / cultural practices & planter maintenance
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So you agree.
to be fair I was referring explicitly to UK situations. All drill with a disc can and do hairpin over here. I am mainly talking about into chopped straw.
so why bother using a disc drill in that situation with the risk of hair-pinning, when a time drill in that situation removes the risk.
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
with Notill cropping straw is not essential especially for spring crops
longer the stubble the better
longer the stubble the better
- Location
- Peterborough
Chopping?
The problem over here is the so called no till guru's tell you to chop all straw back to the soil.
clbarclay
Member
- Location
- Worcestershire
Don't actually chop all the straw if you can help it. Cut high to leave a long standing stubble and the straw is still there to return nutrients, while not making a thick mat of chopped straw.
SilliamWhale
Member
Chop some/ bale some.
Chop osr and beans.
Cut wheat high as possible and chop if going to beans or high disturbance osr seeding. Bale if there is value or going to second wheat you may want to experiment.
If following spring barley with wheat chop
Bale winter barley
If growing barley bale and stick in shed unless a catchy season
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Chop osr and beans.
Cut wheat high as possible and chop if going to beans or high disturbance osr seeding. Bale if there is value or going to second wheat you may want to experiment.
If following spring barley with wheat chop
Bale winter barley
If growing barley bale and stick in shed unless a catchy season
End of sermon