Climate myths

[primmiemoo]

For those who think the vax was safe and effective for everyone take a look at a load of science papers which show it isnt.

That is a grifter's channel, made by a discredited pair of former academics. It exists to spread covid disinformation.

 

[ollie989898]

That scientist made a statement to say his words were twisted by anti-vaccine misinformationists.

You have been lied to by organised anti-vaccine disinformation campaigns.

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Learn some of the basics about making and testing vaccines.

If someone is saying the residual DNA in vaccines is a big cancer risk, they are also in effect stating that anyone having immunoglobulin therapy, insulin and countless other products need to stop having them right now because these individuals will be given very large and repeated (possibly for the remainder of their lives) doses of materials which could also contain DNA contamination.

This issue was brought up in a resulting twitter firestorm months ago and it was put down in short order. Only rather selective youtube viewers could possibly have missed this, leading us to conclude they should either broaden their palates or simply stop watching carp and accepting it as gospel. I discussed this issue at length and in detail in the other thread. Was probably as well recieved as a lead balloon but the truth is rarely that appetising if you're an anti-vaxxer.

You could perhaps understand the outrage if vaccines involving DNA or RNA were invented just last week. In reality research on them has been conducted for years (also discussed on the other thread).

 

[Old Boar]

As an ex nurse, I strongly believed in vaccines. I have seen the effects of polio, the brain damage from measles etc..
I had two doses of the vaccine. The second left me with heart damage.
The worst thing about this is the look in the medical professions eyes when they deny me help. The shutters come down with a resounding clang.

 

[primmiemoo]

It’s certainly not bilge. Those were actual headlines at the time, starting off with 95 to 100% effective and safe down to later on some being withdrawn because they were dangerous and the efficacy and persistency being regularly downgraded to the point that whatever effectiveness they had was downgraded to three months or less persistency.

Show us in print how any of it was actually refuted factually.

Care to recognise that SARS-CoV-2 mutated?

This has been explained to you elsewhere. It was wonderful at the time that vaccines did give such high levels of efficacy. Then along came Delta. Omicron subvariants are in control at the moment. Fortunately, the immune system primed by vaccination still recognises the spike protein in it sufficiently to continue to be good at prevention of illness that leads to hospitalisations, and deeper layers of immunity do still form strong enough secondary defence if boosters aren't up-to-date.

 

[essex man]

Care to recognise that SARS-CoV-2 mutated?

This has been explained to you elsewhere. It was wonderful at the time that vaccines did give such high levels of efficacy. Then along came Delta. Omicron subvariants are in control at the moment. Fortunately, the immune system primed by vaccination still recognises the spike protein in it sufficiently to continue to be good at prevention of illness that leads to hospitalisations, and deeper layers of immunity do still form strong enough secondary defence if boosters aren't up-to-date.

Prevents covid hospitalisations but not covid deaths, hilarious.!

 

[primmiemoo]

Pfizer vaccine now has many pages listing side effects, serious illness & death may result - now states you should not work for I think 3 days or a week ?

Nobody was informed of the risks & for some they HAD to be vaccinated to work

And everything you have written above has been explained in its honest context. People were informed of risks, but the anti-vaccine lies mill set out to amplify them way out of proportion in order to further its incredibly risky immunity via repeated infections that has killed many, many thousands of people worldwide.

Mandates varied in different countries. Again, anti-vaccine liars aimed to confuse and misinform about them.

 

[essex man]

And everything you have written above has been explained in its honest context. People were informed of risks, but the anti-vaccine lies mill set out to amplify them way out of proportion in order to further its incredibly risky immunity via repeated infections that has killed many, many thousands of people worldwide.

Mandates varied in different countries. Again, anti-vaccine liars aimed to confuse and misinform about them.

Do you agree with people losing their jobs for not getting a covid jab?

 

[primmiemoo]

As an ex nurse, I strongly believed in vaccines. I have seen the effects of polio, the brain damage from measles etc..
I had two doses of the vaccine. The second left me with heart damage.
The worst thing about this is the look in the medical professions eyes when they deny me help. The shutters come down with a resounding clang.

That's so very unlucky. Are you willing to say which vaccines you had?

 

[primmiemoo]

Prevents covid hospitalisations but not covid deaths, hilarious.!

Why do you find deaths hilarious?

 

[primmiemoo]

Do you agree with people losing their jobs for not getting a covid jab?

People have choices.

 

[essex man]

People have choices.

I'm asking whether you agree with people being given that choice?

 

[essex man]

Why do you find deaths hilarious?

I don't, i was referring to your arguments, as you know

 

[Old Boar]

AstraZeneca - now suspended of course.

 

[ollie989898]

People complaining that vaccines don't halt infections don't understand vaccines and likely don't understand infectious diseases, either. There is no guarantee that you cannot transmit measles (just an example) to someone else merely because you are vaccinated. You are highly unlikely to become unwell with measles, however.

Where a vaccine is likely to help prevent transmission is in the case of something like the Meningitis ACWY vaccine, which builds immunity and so generally makes it a lot less likely that a person could be carrying the bacteria responsible around in their body- Neisseria meningitidis naturally lives as a commensal bacteria in human hosts and isn't necessarily infectious or pathogenic to them but it can be spread to someone else if it is present.

People complaining that the vaccine didn't work 'because I felt rough when I had covid and I was vaccinated'- yes, the reason you feel rough is the same reason you feel rough when infected with any other virus: the response of the body is to release inflammatory cytokines (interlukin-1, interlukin 6 and tumor necrosis factor alpha) which make you feel rough. The virus itself didn't do that nor would any vaccine have any effect upon that. People get random viral infections from time to time, without serotyping them you have no idea what virus is at work.

 

[ollie989898]

Regarding certain people being required to have vaccines because of the nature of their work, this is nothing new. All staff involved in healthcare are required to hepatitis B vaccination (and subsequently be tested for their immunoglobulin levels later) because the risk of exposure to this is very great and an employer would be negligent to allow them to be at risk of contracting this. A person chronically infected with hep B (or hep C or HIV) may well have restrictions placed on their work- solely because of the need to protect patients. You can argue the individual freedoms/rights all you want- ultimately there is a risk though fortunately there are ways to mitigate them now.

 

[essex man]

Regarding certain people being required to have vaccines because of the nature of their work, this is nothing new. All staff involved in healthcare are required to hepatitis B vaccination (and subsequently be tested for their immunoglobulin levels later) because the risk of exposure to this is very great and an employer would be negligent to allow them to be at risk of contracting this. A person chronically infected with hep B (or hep C or HIV) may well have restrictions placed on their work- solely because of the need to protect patients. You can argue the individual freedoms/rights all you want- ultimately there is a risk though fortunately there are ways to mitigate them now.

It's ineffective, needless , experimental, harmful jab.
You have previously stated you are against vaccine mandates for covid, are you changing your mind on this?

 

[ollie989898]

DNA and protein impurities of biopharmaceuticals being discussed in 1991. As I keep saying, none of this technology is that 'new'.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac00009a003?casa_token=f_fCqzHYlgwAAAAA:zupR8sU2eyRT2jao6iYKNZ_Q0UaFqz3m1QNlx77tYmOxh0K74HXh7GkdI_HLFeZRsg6Bg942frtNU1CK

 

[Bury the Trash]

Having just had covid for 2 weeks or so i wish i had kept up the vaccination's because its a first time ive had the illmness all the way through but then i don't really do doctors to readily.
Deffo will get a flue jab and a covid one next year .

 

[essex man]

The covid jab my niece got to prevent her losing her care home job has left her with "unexplained" chest pains.
"Unexplained" by doctors , just as my mother's myocarditis was without explanation, despite being clearly caused by the jab.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

And everything you have written above has been explained in its honest context. People were informed of risks, but the anti-vaccine lies mill set out to amplify them way out of proportion in order to further its incredibly risky immunity via repeated infections that has killed many, many thousands of people worldwide.

Mandates varied in different countries. Again, anti-vaccine liars aimed to confuse and misinform about them.

Mandated or organised government persecution???
What you suggest has direct parallels with Germany in the 1930's, equally like them there's a small number of people that still believe the vision of compliance as indoctrinated is right.