mikep
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Dont remember Dowler et al in the seveties then?
Compaction is it a myth???
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mikep
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Read about it or ask someone, it is always an advantage to look at things from a historical perpective.
mikep
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'Dowler Gantry'
mikep
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Different toys same priciple best advice is when you think of it lie down and hope the urge passes soon.
mikep
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Compaction sells tractors and cultivators that need fuel and metal
Surely no one had any reason to make us paranoid about it do they ??????
You are showing signs of 'shiny toy resistance' or STR for short, this can have serious consequencies for the agricultural supply trade. Do you have no pity for the poor salesman go and lock yourself in a room with copies of ag mags and hope for recovery.
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Compaction sells tractors and cultivators that need fuel and metal
Surely no one had any reason to make us paranoid about it do they ??????
The technical term is "wealth redistribution" if you don't do it yourself, the tax man will do it for you
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I met some people who did it in the States a while back (70's/80's) and they found the permanent tramlines started to become a problem after a while esp with sterile soil and the need to subsoil them up again, and of course erosion.
If you can get away without subsoiling them and you get no run off in the tramlines I can see the benefits but I'd still personally like the chaff randomised.
chaff is the main worry, permanent tramlines not a problem they can be sorted if need be. some people don't seem to understand the difference between consolidation and compaction. Tom H has a good subsoiling system fitted to his new 12m cultivator for what i presume is to sort out tramlines and wheelings.
To be fair i dont think anyone knows where the line between consolidation which is good and compaction which is bad is , a lot depends on how much rain falls after drilling, the type of soil, OM levels, time of year etc
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Compaction sells tractors and cultivators that need fuel and metal
Surely no one had any reason to make us paranoid about it do they ??????
It's a never ending gravy train, the cultivators cause the compaction.
No cultivation = no compaction
mikep
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Chaff is not the main problem for me. The main problem is I cant be f--cked driving in the same place all the time, sometimes I like to go the scenic route. This job is bad enough without grasping for dubious gains, my soil, like most does not take a grudge against occasional traffic and if I ran the same wheeling all the time in the wet I would need a submarine. I like to do my job as best I can and not chase unicorns because I have seen too many others doing it.
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It's impossible to compact non cultivate soil???
mikep
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No but damned sight harder, consider running on your stubble with a heavy machine (lorry) versus running on a nice cultivated seedbed. Any marks on stubble usually go quite quickly as well. Another bonus of seeing the light and going no till is that when we shoot standing on a stubble waiting for a flush you dont have to do the old foot lifting routine as you gradually sink in to the seedbed.
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For you tax paying sector of our industryThe technical term is "wealth redistribution" if you don't do it yourself, the tax man will do it for you
Keep chucking a bit in
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kneedeep
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Like a thousand times
Surely the greatest tool in our armoury is empathy with our soil.
It's amazing how many 'good ' farmers round here, when asked what their most important asset will come up with various answers, but soil is never one of them.
When I get banging on about it being a huge living organism, is see that same glazed over look I tend to get when OH and daughters get going about ponies!
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