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<blockquote data-quote="J_Barty_J" data-source="post: 7348348" data-attributes="member: 154929"><p>Thank you for all your responses, I have been asking a few more questions on various other platforms, and very similar responses have been coming back too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It looks to be exactly that, another product from a can, I am not qualified enough to say if anyones products are better than others, but I am not having much confidence in the biological approach just yet as only around 2 or 3 farmers seem to do it (in the UK). At the end of the day Aiva needs to sell their products and it looks like they've gone down the marketing route (Farmers Weekly etc) to really push their 2/3 successes? I could be completely wrong here! </p><p></p><p>I had a look at that thread you put there [USER=4612]@ajd132[/USER] and that is near enough to what I am asking, you look to have had the same responses on snake oil merchants and that the jury is out on this 'organic/biological approach'.</p><p></p><p>Thank you [USER=166]@Brisel[/USER] for your comments on the regulations, I can't believe these products are unregulated - does anyone actually know what they are doing to the soil long term? If pesticides have to jump through hundreds of scientific hoops to be approved (at a great cost) and these products don't need to be tested as vigorously as pesticides but claim to control diseases and produce high yields just as well as 'conventional' products, why aren't the bigger companies going hell for leather with these products that offer a greater ROI? We know the positive effects of pesticides, but we also know the negative effects too so we can make an informed decision.</p><p></p><p>Final point (sorry for the long-winded reply!) I read the recent report by ADAS into these biological products and their conclusion (heavily shortened by me here) was that there isn't any evidence supporting that these products work as they claim and they find it scary that these products/companies are making such spurious unquantified claims finishing by saying that they need more scientific evidence.</p><p></p><p>That's enough alarm bells for me to look at improving my soils using nature and not another product out of a can. </p><p></p><p>A good quote comes to mind "If it looks too good to be true, then it probably is!"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J_Barty_J, post: 7348348, member: 154929"] Thank you for all your responses, I have been asking a few more questions on various other platforms, and very similar responses have been coming back too. It looks to be exactly that, another product from a can, I am not qualified enough to say if anyones products are better than others, but I am not having much confidence in the biological approach just yet as only around 2 or 3 farmers seem to do it (in the UK). At the end of the day Aiva needs to sell their products and it looks like they've gone down the marketing route (Farmers Weekly etc) to really push their 2/3 successes? I could be completely wrong here! I had a look at that thread you put there [USER=4612]@ajd132[/USER] and that is near enough to what I am asking, you look to have had the same responses on snake oil merchants and that the jury is out on this 'organic/biological approach'. Thank you [USER=166]@Brisel[/USER] for your comments on the regulations, I can't believe these products are unregulated - does anyone actually know what they are doing to the soil long term? If pesticides have to jump through hundreds of scientific hoops to be approved (at a great cost) and these products don't need to be tested as vigorously as pesticides but claim to control diseases and produce high yields just as well as 'conventional' products, why aren't the bigger companies going hell for leather with these products that offer a greater ROI? We know the positive effects of pesticides, but we also know the negative effects too so we can make an informed decision. Final point (sorry for the long-winded reply!) I read the recent report by ADAS into these biological products and their conclusion (heavily shortened by me here) was that there isn't any evidence supporting that these products work as they claim and they find it scary that these products/companies are making such spurious unquantified claims finishing by saying that they need more scientific evidence. That's enough alarm bells for me to look at improving my soils using nature and not another product out of a can. A good quote comes to mind "If it looks too good to be true, then it probably is!" [/QUOTE]
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