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<blockquote data-quote="Headless chicken" data-source="post: 4500738" data-attributes="member: 2582"><p>This is a very interesting thread and there are a lot of views and questions to answer to here so after much thought and deliberation I have decided on the following.</p><p></p><p>A monthly review - something I was planning anyway but have brought forward a bit as need to address a few issues and want it done in the office so when the door closes it's done with.</p><p></p><p>A formal written warning - this is as much arse covering for me as a kick up the backside for him. If it's written down he knows I'm not joking and he needs to be taking this seriously.</p><p></p><p>5:30am when your 16 on a moped is early but it's not as early as 4am. If he wants to work in dairy then he needs to get used to it at some point.</p><p></p><p>I could tolerate the odd 10 mins but what's happening is he is creating his own time to arrive.</p><p></p><p>He gets paid to either the half hour or the o'clock by our agreement so regularly books 5:30am but even if he is in the office by then he definitely wouldn't be on the yard.</p><p></p><p>If he got a job stacking shelves they are expected to start at 5am showered and clean shaven so he would be up at 4am to do that.</p><p></p><p>I make sure he has plenty of time off during they day and actively encourage him to have a sleep.</p><p></p><p>Starting at 8am is no good to me and I did explain this at the start. On a normal day we aim to be finished with have to do jobs by 8am and regularly won't be going back out until 3pm milking.</p><p></p><p>He gets paid an apprentice wage of a pitiful £3.50 as set by the college and it's what every apprentice in every industry starts out at. If he performs well and goes above and beyond he will be getting it topped up a bit.</p><p></p><p>Paying him more is all well and good but he is here to learn a skill. I have no hesitation on sending him on courses or allowing him paid time spent learning with the foot trimmer etc. I will also be sending him to shows open days and the like with his time paid.</p><p></p><p>Before someone complains I'm</p><p>Not paying enough that's why he's late my part time guy is a trained carpenter just hung doors for me in my house at £60 a door. He started as an apprentice at £3.50 an hour.</p><p></p><p>When i was 12 I went out to find work off my own back. At 14 I was up at 4am on a Saturday to milk cows. 16 I milked 5 morning a week all summer to earn myself some cash. At 17 I would regularly be up at 3am and I would often leave one milking half way through ( big team of us) go to milk somewhere else and be back to finish up. My point is it's perfectly possible but I do accept teenagers are still developing and do require extra sleep hence the reason so cautious with how many hours he does.</p><p></p><p>He's a good lad with the right intentions but I'm not sure if part of the problem is he wants to play around on machines and we don't do much of that. He has the ability to go a long way in agriculture so I am keen to nurture that. Allowing Him to be late and just not worrying about it isn't going to help when he then can't wake up for the next place.</p><p></p><p>If his apprenticeship goes well I have every intention of offering a full time job at the end of it with a wage to reflect his new level of experience. Just because he's an apprentice doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like I would treat anyone else that's how you end with a generation that don't want to do silly squat and expect to be paid for the right.</p><p></p><p>Last but not least he does deserve every chance because atleast he is doing something with his life not just lazing around but he does still have to perform</p><p></p><p>Edited to add referring to the Shelf stacking. Your expected to arrive 15 minutes before your shift starts to make sure you start work on time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Headless chicken, post: 4500738, member: 2582"] This is a very interesting thread and there are a lot of views and questions to answer to here so after much thought and deliberation I have decided on the following. A monthly review - something I was planning anyway but have brought forward a bit as need to address a few issues and want it done in the office so when the door closes it's done with. A formal written warning - this is as much arse covering for me as a kick up the backside for him. If it's written down he knows I'm not joking and he needs to be taking this seriously. 5:30am when your 16 on a moped is early but it's not as early as 4am. If he wants to work in dairy then he needs to get used to it at some point. I could tolerate the odd 10 mins but what's happening is he is creating his own time to arrive. He gets paid to either the half hour or the o'clock by our agreement so regularly books 5:30am but even if he is in the office by then he definitely wouldn't be on the yard. If he got a job stacking shelves they are expected to start at 5am showered and clean shaven so he would be up at 4am to do that. I make sure he has plenty of time off during they day and actively encourage him to have a sleep. Starting at 8am is no good to me and I did explain this at the start. On a normal day we aim to be finished with have to do jobs by 8am and regularly won't be going back out until 3pm milking. He gets paid an apprentice wage of a pitiful £3.50 as set by the college and it's what every apprentice in every industry starts out at. If he performs well and goes above and beyond he will be getting it topped up a bit. Paying him more is all well and good but he is here to learn a skill. I have no hesitation on sending him on courses or allowing him paid time spent learning with the foot trimmer etc. I will also be sending him to shows open days and the like with his time paid. Before someone complains I'm Not paying enough that's why he's late my part time guy is a trained carpenter just hung doors for me in my house at £60 a door. He started as an apprentice at £3.50 an hour. When i was 12 I went out to find work off my own back. At 14 I was up at 4am on a Saturday to milk cows. 16 I milked 5 morning a week all summer to earn myself some cash. At 17 I would regularly be up at 3am and I would often leave one milking half way through ( big team of us) go to milk somewhere else and be back to finish up. My point is it's perfectly possible but I do accept teenagers are still developing and do require extra sleep hence the reason so cautious with how many hours he does. He's a good lad with the right intentions but I'm not sure if part of the problem is he wants to play around on machines and we don't do much of that. He has the ability to go a long way in agriculture so I am keen to nurture that. Allowing Him to be late and just not worrying about it isn't going to help when he then can't wake up for the next place. If his apprenticeship goes well I have every intention of offering a full time job at the end of it with a wage to reflect his new level of experience. Just because he's an apprentice doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like I would treat anyone else that's how you end with a generation that don't want to do silly squat and expect to be paid for the right. Last but not least he does deserve every chance because atleast he is doing something with his life not just lazing around but he does still have to perform Edited to add referring to the Shelf stacking. Your expected to arrive 15 minutes before your shift starts to make sure you start work on time. [/QUOTE]
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